Small Zags update on Boat

[UChusky916]

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/01/20/boatrights-attorney-hoping-for-quick-resolution/

 

[cohenzone]

The NCAA almost has to find a violation if for no other reason than to cover their behind. If the kids misses several games while they investigate, they can never restore those to the kid if they find no violation. What they really should do for the benefit of both the kid being investigated and the program is to let the kid play with the understanding that if a violation id found, the kid must sit at least equal to the number of games played after the university was notified. That way, there is no risk of forfeiture to the program and no risk of unfairly punishing the "accused".

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

What they really should do for the benefit of both the kid being investigated and the program is to let the kid play with the understanding that if a violation id found, the kid must sit at least equal to the number of games played after the university was notified. That way, there is no risk of forfeiture to the program and no risk of unfairly punishing the "accused".

The problem with that is that the punishment is somewhat tied to the length of time it takes the NCAA to investigate the infraction....and we all know how quick the NCAA works on these issues!

 

[specialisthusky]

The NCAA almost has to find a violation if for no other reason than to cover their behind. If the kids misses several games while they investigate, they can never restore those to the kid if they find no violation. What they really should do for the benefit of both the kid being investigated and the program is to let the kid play with the understanding that if a violation id found, the kid must sit at least equal to the number of games played after the university was notified. That way, there is no risk of forfeiture to the program and no risk of unfairly punishing the "accused".

What about unfairly punishing the other team who has no potential violations being investigated. Let's reverse it for a second and say Cinci was notified of possible infractions on Kilpatrick on Monday. The investigation opened he was hits the game winner Wednesday and is ruled ineligible the next day and begins his suspension. I for one would be furious.

What Uconn is doing is all they can do imo. There is not better way around this situation. The only blame is on the NCAA (if nothing is found) for allowing some jabronee to call in violations on their violation hotline.

 

[freescooter]

The other problem is a different timing one. Whe would you rather have Boatright sitting, now or th emiddle of March? I know which one I'd choose, and I bet most coaches, at least coaches of NCAA bound teams, would still sit the kid now rather than take the risk of losing him when the real season comes around.

Just as an aside, you haven't heard anything from Boatright's camp or UCONN saying there isn't a violation. UCONN is very careful to say "it happened BEFORE he came to UCONN." Boatright has said nothing. His parents have said nothing, his lawyer has said nothing. tha tsuggests to me that there is something. How big or how serious, I don't know. But I hope he tells them everything that even might seem vaguely questionable so that if the jilted ex raises something else, the NCAA says, "oh yeah, got that already and considered it."

 

[cohenzone]

'The problem with that is that the punishment is somewhat tied to the length of time it takes the NCAA to investigate the infraction....and we all know how quick the NCAA works on these issues'


But at least the kid gets to play in the meantime and the NCAA has no incentive to make themselves look blameless, so the kid may get zero time off if the NCAA finds no violation. Now, if they drag their heels and find no violation, the kid is just plain screwed without a remedy and the program was screwed too because the kid didn't to play until proved guilty. There is no perfect way, especially during the season. Now the NCAA has zero incentive to act quickly.

Does anyone know if the NCAA has ever had a kid sit out under some unproven cloud and later found that everything was okay? If so, did they just say, "Gee were sorry?" I know, technically the school doesn't have to have the kid sit, but that's a false option if they have to take the risk of forfeiture. On my plan, the kid must be found to be in violation and then serves. The team might still suffer, but at least they aren't faced with a Hobson's choice.

 

[imno1]

What exasperates the problem is the time it takes to investigate the allegation(s). It seems they could get answers quickly if they put the effort in. My guess is that they have too many tee times, long lunches, and extended weekends to find the time to expedite these issues.

 

[cohenzone]

"The other problem is a different timing one. Whe would you rather have Boatright sitting, now or th emiddle of March? I know which one I'd choose, and I bet most coaches, at least coaches of NCAA bound teams, would still sit the kid now rather than take the risk of losing him when the real season comes around.

Just as an aside, you haven't heard anything from Boatright's camp or UCONN saying there isn't a violation. UCONN is very careful to say "it happened BEFORE he came to UCONN." Boatright has said nothing. His parents have said nothing, his lawyer has said nothing. tha tsuggests to me that there is something. How big or how serious, I don't know. But I hope he tells them everything that even might seem vaguely questionable so that if the jilted ex raises something else, the NCAA says, "oh yeah, got that already and considered it."

Okay, say he sits for 6-7 games, UConn loses all of them, can't qualify for March and he is found not to be in violation. Sure, you can say they should adjust to playing without him as if he was injured, but that isn't the issue. As I said, the real problem is that the NCAA has every incentive to not only find a violation and at best, but to limit it to time served even if they would have otherwise required a lesser penalty. Specialisthusky said they would be ripping if Kirkpatrick was under some cloud and was found in violation the day after hitting the winning shot. I say, we should have defended him better. So, he doesn't play, we rout Cinci and the next day, he is found not in violation. Cinci fans are the ones howling. Does anyone think that the NCAA whispered to UConn that if the violation is as described, he would have to sit out X number of games, and we will make a decision by the time that suspension period will have ended? At least with my solution, the NCAA has some incentive to move expeditiously. Now if we are talking criminality, it would be a different story, which if UConn had such information, I seriously doubt the kid would even be traveling with the team. Ditto if they thought it was a major violation and/or part of a knowing pattern by the kid . The fact that he is being allowed to travel and sit on the bench suggests that even if UConn is aware of something, they aren't shaking in their boots over it.

 

[freescooter]

But here's the thing, you're assuming there is no violation. I suspect that the NCAA wouldn't be bothered unless they had at least some evidence. Afterall, they already investigated this kid once. Now if you are like the chief and think the NCAA is gunning for UCONN that is one thing, though why they would open themselves up to that kind of accusation again, especially at this point where they are getting blasted for so many other things, is beyond me...to say nothing of the potential liability they'd face. They don't just go around investigating people because some nutjob calls them. I would guess there was at least enough information to make them think a violation was at least plausible. In fact, I'm guessing there is some violtaion along the lines of the original one, though why Boatright didn't jsut tell them about it at the time is beyond me. then this whole thing is over and done in December. As far as the original idea of following the pro model, play during the investigation, I still think if I had a choice I'd have him sit now rather than risk that he will have to sit later when the games mean more. As to the idea that we lose a bunch of games while he sits, come on...the kid is the backup point guard. If you can't win most games without your backup point guard, you have to quesion whether you were any good to begin with.

 

[UConnLen]

But here's the thing, you're assuming there is no violation. I suspect that the NCAA wouldn't be bothered unless they had at least some evidence. Afterall, they already investigated this kid once. Now if you are like the chief and think the NCAA is gunning for UCONN that is one thing, though why they would open themselves up to that kind of accusation again, especially at this point where they are getting blasted for so many other things, is beyond me...to say nothing of the potential liability they'd face. They don't just go around investigating people because some nutjob calls them. I would guess there was at least enough information to make them think a violation was at least plausible. In fact, I'm guessing there is some violtaion along the lines of the original one, though why Boatright didn't jsut tell them about it at the time is beyond me. then this whole thing is over and done in December. As far as the original idea of following the pro model, play during the investigation, I still think if I had a choice I'd have him sit now rather than risk that he will have to sit later when the games mean more. As to the idea that we lose a bunch of games while he sits, come on...the kid is the backup point guard. If you can't win most games without your backup point guard, you have to quesion whether you were any good to begin with.

Free-YOU are assuming there IS A VIOLATION, by saying above "UConn was careful in saying it happened before he came to UConn". As for Boatrights camp, why should they even comment-just let it play out. As for us "assuming there is no violation", isn't that what our justice system is about-innocent until proven guilty?

 

[ctchamps]

But here's the thing, you're assuming there is no violation. I suspect that the NCAA wouldn't be bothered unless they had at least some evidence. Afterall, they already investigated this kid once. Now if you are like the chief and think the NCAA is gunning for UCONN that is one thing, though why they would open themselves up to that kind of accusation again, especially at this point where they are getting blasted for so many other things, is beyond me...to say nothing of the potential liability they'd face. They don't just go around investigating people because some nutjob calls them. I would guess there was at least enough information to make them think a violation was at least plausible. In fact, I'm guessing there is some violtaion along the lines of the original one, though why Boatright didn't jsut tell them about it at the time is beyond me. then this whole thing is over and done in December. As far as the original idea of following the pro model, play during the investigation, I still think if I had a choice I'd have him sit now rather than risk that he will have to sit later when the games mean more. As to the idea that we lose a bunch of games while he sits, come on...the kid is the backup point guard. If you can't win most games without your backup point guard, you have to quesion whether you were any good to begin with.

Maybe Boatright is guilty of some infraction. cohenzone is bringing up a hypothetical case not involving RB in which some jilted person can go to the NCAA and make a false statement, the NCAA goes to the school not knowing the statement is false and indicate to the school the player is being investigated, the school out of fear of severe consequences sits the player but the accusation turns out false. He is correct in his estimation of human behavior. If people believe they can have an impact on the NCAA, they will start to make claims whether they are true or not resulting in innocent people being forced to miss games. He is offering a suggestion to be ahead of the curve before this begins to happen. Unfortunately most governing bodies must have a series of infractions to make changes. That is governing bodies are reactive rather than proactive, but I would wager cohenzone will prove to be insightful.

 

[imno1]

I'm amazed how everyone has been able to keeps their mouths shut. No off the record, deep throat chatter. How is this even possible. I tell you it's unAmerican to not let something slip out.

 

[UConnSportsGuy]

I am sure it will take another week or so for the NCAA to come to a conclusion and the the NCAA will give RB a suspension that is exactly equal to the number of games he has already missed (quite a coincidence, huh?!).

The only problems is, what is the NCAA and UConn going to do when this guy, who clearly has a vendetta agains the Boatright family, decides to 'report new infractions' the day before the NCAA tournament starts? Do we go through this whole charade once again and RB has to miss the NCAA tournament?

 

[ctchamps]

I am sure it will take another week or so for the NCAA to come to a conclusion and the the NCAA will give RB a suspension that is exactly equal to the number of games he has already missed (quite a coincidence, huh?!).

The only problems is, what is the NCAA and UConn going to do when this guy, who clearly has a vendetta agains the Boatright family, decides to 'report new infractions' the day before the NCAA tournament starts? Do we go through this whole charade once again and RB has to miss the NCAA tournament?

Hopefully RB will give a full accounting of everything that took place and avoid this. Of course this presumes that RB has full recall and total understanding of what is appropriate and inappropriate. Most average people living average lives are unaware of all the rules and regulations that exist.

 

[UC990411]

Why is everyone making it sound like he is suspended right now? I don't think the NCAA is holding him out, isn't UConn holding him out?

 

[hoopsknowitall]

But here's the thing, you're assuming there is no violation. I suspect that the NCAA wouldn't be bothered unless they had at least some evidence. Afterall, they already investigated this kid once. Now if you are like the chief and think the NCAA is gunning for UCONN that is one thing, though why they would open themselves up to that kind of accusation again, especially at this point where they are getting blasted for so many other things, is beyond me...to say nothing of the potential liability they'd face. They don't just go around investigating people because some nutjob calls them. I would guess there was at least enough information to make them think a violation was at least plausible. In fact, I'm guessing there is some violtaion along the lines of the original one, though why Boatright didn't jsut tell them about it at the time is beyond me. then this whole thing is over and done in December. As far as the original idea of following the pro model, play during the investigation, I still think if I had a choice I'd have him sit now rather than risk that he will have to sit later when the games mean more. As to the idea that we lose a bunch of games while he sits, come on...the kid is the backup point guard. If you can't win most games without your backup point guard, you have to quesion whether you were any good to begin with.

I get very nervous that this is the scenario that faces Boatright. If nothing else the NCAA has proven that it hates to be lied to when they call you onto the carpet.

I'm guessing there is some fire to the smoke here and if there is its open season for the NCAA to over react in its punishment.