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Letsgohuskies11 said:
It felt like the Monstars stole our rosters skills. It was baffling how bad everyone played outside of Clignan (who still has this awful habit of bringing the ball down every time he gets fed). I thought Hurley should have gone to Stewart to see if he could get anything going. He honestly couldn't have been worse than what was transpiring on the court. Everyone just looked lethargic and that they didn't want to be there. Just careless passing and lazy defense.
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While Clingan more than held his own, his habit of dribbling first, gathering then shooting will hurt with double teams. He could then pass or shoot but when he is set in the low post there isn't a lot of room for others. DC is showing more offensive moves with strong down low calls for the balls and decent hands. Without him on the court our offense stalled when we couldn't hit threes.

Our players seemed on West Coast time. A zone from time to time might have helped lower number of fouls and provide a second line of defense. Nothing seemed to change from man to man and we paid the price.
 
Pretty surprising game. I know going on the road in the Big East is tough but that was brutal. Three of our best 6 players have never played in the Big East before so I'm hoping the result was mostly because of that. Could also be that the players (and coaches?) heard a little too much about how good they are from the media and lost some of that fire. Either way, it's wsy too early to panic. Just have to hope that Donovan's ankle is a short term problem.

I would not want to be the team having to re-watch the tape today, but how that session goes today is going to have a huge impact on our chances to win a Big East title.
 
in my experience, defensive centric coaches can be too stubborn in their gameday adjustment mindset at times, that hard man to man is only way. they let their ego/philosophy get in the way of changing from this preferred method of D.

This achilles heel took down Matt Painter & Purdue in the tourney, when they refused to move away from their preferred man against a very quick, undersized team, that was pulling Edey from hoop and going by him. These coaches, though occasionally great coaches, will look down upon zones and junk defenses like triangle 2 etc. Its like a boxer not using his skill/smarts/jab in certain matchups but instead engaging in a brawl against less skilled opponent to questionable results. Hurley shows a little of his Beilein-ish 1-3-1, but thats it. good for us that when we got to the tourney last year it seems like he modified gameplan to great results (arkansas)

All this being said, Castle can't have 3 passes deflected so easily, and our big 3 perimeter can't disappear so much on offense on the same day
 
Hurley has to figure it out. These road losses to low quality teams have been a theme since they started letting fans in the building. Since 2022, 11-12 in road games. 6 of those wins were vs Butler, Georgetown and DePaul.
 
Brochacho said:
Hurley has to figure it out. These road losses to low quality teams have been a theme since they started letting fans in the building. Since 2022, 11-12 in road games. 6 of those wins were vs Butler, Georgetown and DePaul.
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Butler is probably better than Seton Hall this year so that’s not even an easy win.
 
What did they say about us? These comments summarize it best:

An honest assessment of UConn

Great win. This was awesome to watch our pirates be on the good side of the blowout. - head scratching point here: why is Hurley having his guys pick us up near mid court? We are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the country. We have success vs UConn driving. Why weren’t his defensive...
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The bad news is that we still can't win tough road games in the Big East and the refs still have it out for us (no, that's not "why we lost," but Hurley was dead right a few weeks ago that we're not, and maybe won't ever, get the kind of respect afforded to other championship programs), both of which will limit our ceiling in conference and potentially our NCAAT seed.

The silver lining is that Hurley has also shown the ability to dominate out of conference and win 6 in a row when it counts even without those things, though losses like this make the road harder.
 
TheShot1990 said:
What did they say about us? These comments summarize it best:

An honest assessment of UConn

Great win. This was awesome to watch our pirates be on the good side of the blowout. - head scratching point here: why is Hurley having his guys pick us up near mid court? We are one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the country. We have success vs UConn driving. Why weren’t his defensive...
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Even Seton Hall wonders why we didn't adjust on defense lol. To me, the offense was a bigger problem but sometimes you can't control when shots don't fall or your best player sprains his ankle.

You CAN control defensive effort and scheme. I thought the effort was mostly okay until midway through the 2nd-half, but boy we either didn't execute properly or the coaches crapped the collective bed in the scout.

Pressuring one of the worst shooting teams in the country and allowing them to beat us 1v1 like clockwork was just poor execution by everyone in the program. Managers, players, coaches, and towel boy. Everyone.
 
husky429 said:
Even Seton Hall wonders why we didn't adjust on defense lol. To me, the offense was a bigger problem but sometimes you can't control when shots don't fall or your best player sprains his ankle.

You CAN control defensive effort and scheme. I thought the effort was mostly okay until midway through the 2nd-half, but boy we either didn't execute properly or the coaches crapped the collective bed in the scout.

Pressuring one of the worst shooting teams in the country and allowing them to beat us 1v1 like clockwork was just poor execution by everyone in the program. Managers, players, coaches, and towel boy. Everyone.
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Yes, I was thinking the same. Their comments about us are very telling. Now we know everyone was thinking the same. Our defense was puzzling. Calhoun used to say "40 minutes of pressure." Yes, you may tire your guards, but you have 2 spare athletic 6' 7" guys on the bench and a spare 6' 10" guy until DC gets back. Until then, 40 minutes of pressure and then force em to hit a 3 like they did to us. And when they miss, fast break.

Basically, do what Shaheen Holloway did to us. Brilliantly coached game.
 
I dont blame the players for last night. I blame the coaches. Up 8 in the first half, we went through a 6 minute of real game time where we lost the lead, and played uninspired ball. Yet, DC failed to call a single timeout. Between the layup line, failure to box out, and turnovers, my gosh, I would have used all of my timeouts during that stretch. Not. A. Single. Timeout. Horrible job by Danny. And what bothers me is NOT the loss. What bothers me is that SH came to fight, and we came to dance. Not a proud night.
 
We just missed too many shots. Shooting 38% and half of that from 3 point range isn't going to win a lot of games. It happens.

Breathe everyone.
 
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JohnnyJr said:
Butler is probably better than Seton Hall this year so that’s not even an easy win.
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Yup, but in the past they've stunk. They'll be trouble this year. Below is Hurley since 2022 in road games by Kenpom rank:

KenpomTeamResult
10​
VillanovaLoss
10​
MarquetteLoss
12​
CreightonLoss
13​
KansasLoss
15​
XavierLoss
40​
ProvidenceLoss
50​
CreightonLoss
51​
VillanovaWin
52​
Seton HallLoss
53​
XavierLoss
55​
St. John'sWin
56​
MarquetteWin
58​
Seton HallLoss
66​
WVULoss
67​
Seton HallLoss
74​
FloridaWin
82​
St.John'sWin
103​
DePaulWin
119​
ButlerWin
121​
ButlerWin
135​
DePaulWin
175​
GeorgetownWin
219​
GeorgetownWin
 
I'm ok with writing off the Seton Hall game as a fluke awful performance all around. I'll start being nervous if we repeat this again with St John's. If Clingan is out, I know expectations go down but the overall general lack of hustle or care or desire to play defense we saw last night has to be a one off and not a repeat.
 
FreeKlaiber said:
in the tourney last year, when we played arkansas, we made the defensive help adjustment that we needed last night. But throughout big east play last year alot of our bad losses could be chalked up to a lack of defensive help and/or our gameplan to attack defensively 40 feet from hoop , even teams that can't shoot. We then get stuck in ISOs (think maryland tourney loss a few yrs back) and give up easy hoops without the walling off of help defense in the paint.

Maybe its execution or maybe its gameplan, but got to make the adjustment or this is gonna happen more than we like in big east play
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This is close to what I stated in one of my posts last night. If UConn dusted off the game plan they had used against Arkansas in the Sweet 16 UConn wins this game or at least it is going down to the wire. Besides Dawes no one else on Seton Hall is that good at shooting 3s. There is no need to pressure them 30 feet from the basket. Richmond is a good player, but the person guarding him simply needs to back off him some and cut off his driving lane-he isn't a dominant player, except when he plays UConn in Newark.

UConn, we all hate to admit it, lacks athleticism. Teams are attacking Karaban. The guards have to take more pride in their defense and not depend on Clingan or Johnson to bail them out with shot blocking.
 
HooperScooper said:
Spencer was worse against Kansas.
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I don't know why Spencer played so much against Kansas when he was obviously hurt (it was aggravating and inexplicable) and I don't know why Spencer played so much last night against Hall when they were frankly making him their btich every time Spencer's man drove to the hoop. As bad as he was I'd rather Castle got manhandled so Castle could gain experience & step up down the road. I know how valuable Spencer has been and how well he moves the ball to facilitate the offense, but ...
1. Against the most athletic teams Spencer is a massive defensive liability. UConn can't play man if Spencer is guarding someone with strength & driving skills.
2. Against athletic/long defenses Spencer cannot create his own shot and actually does the opposite = dribbles into trouble, consistently.
3. Spencer is very possibly a different player on the road. Immediately lower the minutes and if he poops the bed on the road again consider making Spencer reverse CovidKryie & just plays him at home/neutral sites.
 
“We all gotta own it. That was not reminiscent of a top team, that was a pretty embarrassing performance for all of us, myself first in line. Nobody played well. I coached bad, I prepared the team bad, our scout prep was bad. I think literally every player on the team minus Donovan offensively had a bad performance, and you have embarrassing losses like this on the road when that happens.”

The lack of preparedness and adjustment in-game felt like a regression to old Danny and not the new Championship Danny of last season. I am glad to see him acknowledge it here in the post-game and I'm sure he'll get this turned around. I didn't panic last January and I'm not going to now.

Honestly, I wasn't surprised by the loss - this and the St John's games feel like where we take some punches. I have faith the team will take the BE beatdown baptism and use it. Depth is more of a concern than I was expecting but we'll need to see how it shakes out especially with the nagging injuries.


What was up with Castle trying to inbound twice off SH players? Twice. I'm rooting for the kid but that should never happen.
 
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