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Message: [QUOTE="ABCDFE, post: 3841255, member: 9410"] You do make some very astute observations. I’m beginning to think that for whatever reason they are good against most teams but for the most part Liv and Williams don’t have the confidence that typically our upper class man have. And unfortunately they realize that when they shoot they hurt our team. When Liv shoots it takes away a big body for offensive rebounds and put backs and when Williams isn’t driving and finishing near the basket we are far less efficient offensively. As someone said they are complimentary pieces, we need to stop having the expectations that they will rise to the occasion. I hope the be proved wrong, but when you have so many data points it’s tough to be something that you’re not. It’s unfortunate, because I’ve really love Liv and Williams as players but if they are not clutch and when the game is on the line I just don’t have much confidence in them. There still time to notice marginally and maybe that’s all we need for the rest of the year. [/QUOTE]