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Message: [QUOTE="Patman, post: 4401261, member: 3391"] I think sagarin is using previous year data and I don't know if and when a switch will or should occur. I looked at the Colley matrix ratings and we are in the 80s to 90s but they don't include fcs explicitly but rather more implicitly. Colley's method tends to over rate fcs schools when placed in the same bucket. Either way the math is simple a "fair" system puts you above your wins and below your losses and sorts out the contradictions. Sagarin nor massey are currently doing that [/QUOTE]