Rules question

[cabbie191]

Here’s the scenario: a team brings the ball across the half-court line within the allotted 10 seconds. The ball is knocked out of bounds by the defense in the frontcourt and on the subsequent throw in, it is tossed into the backcourt.

Question: does the 10 second rule for getting the ball across the half-court reapply?

 

[Centerstream]

Here’s the scenario: a team brings the ball across the half-court line within the allotted 10 seconds. The ball is knocked out of bounds by the defense in the frontcourt and on the subsequent throw in, it is tossed into the backcourt.

Question: does the 10 second rule for getting the ball across the half-court reapply?

I would think yes because the team on defense technically had possession, right?

 

[cabbie191]

I would think yes because the team on defense technically had possession, right?

No - the offense was maintained in this scenario by the same team.

I thought of this while watching today's game and how many TO's Seton Hall had based on shot clock and mid-court violations. On one play, SH got the ball into the front court and UConn then tipped the ball out of bounds. When SH threw it in, the pass was into the backcourt. UConn didn't press but I wondered if they had and if it took SH more than 10 seconds to get into the front court, if that would be a half-court violation.

Another way of looking at this is to ask the question this way: Is a team at risk for this turnover twice on a single possession?

 

[Centerstream]

No - the offense was maintained in this scenario by the same team.

What I meant was that in your original scenario, the defense knocked the ball out of bounds after the offense was in the front court. By "knocking" the ball out of bounds, isn't it considered a possession by the defense? Even though it doesn't affect the shot clock.

 

[cwh20]

Short answer. Yes, they have to get the ball into the front court in under 10 seconds both times. The thing is I don’t ever think you’d see a team pressure the offense to try and get a 10 second call in a scenario where the O has the ball in the back court again. I’ve never seen it. The shot clock would already by short in most instances so the D, already in the front court, would just set up to play solid defense for when the ball got to the front court again. One defender could still be on the player with the ball but the end goal would be to get a steal maybe, not a ten second call.

 

[Skeets]

Another call I'm a little confused about, a UConn player saved a ball from going out of bounds, then she stepped out of bounds, but she came back in the field of play and got the ball. The refs called it out of bounds. I know in football a player going out of bounds can't be the first player to get the ball. But this holds true in basketball? I can't recall ever seeing this.

 

[cwh20]

Another call I'm a little confused about, a UConn player saved a ball from going out of bounds, then she stepped out of bounds, but she came back in the field of play and got the ball. The refs called it out of bounds. I know in football a player going out of bounds can't be the first player to get the ball. But this holds true in basketball? I can't recall ever seeing this.

A player after going out of bounds has to reestablish themselves in bounds by stepping on to the court again before touching the ball. (With both feet? I don’t know).

 

[Bone Dog]

Another call I'm a little confused about, a UConn player saved a ball from going out of bounds, then she stepped out of bounds, but she came back in the field of play and got the ball. The refs called it out of bounds. I know in football a player going out of bounds can't be the first player to get the ball. But this holds true in basketball? I can't recall ever seeing this.

That was an erroneous call. Azzi was careful to re-establish inbound with both feet before touching the ball. The ref missed because she was behind the play. Oddly, the announcers saw the replay and still mischaracterized it.

 

[ucmiami2]

On the original question, the ten seconds is a single time thing from the start of a possession (30 seconds) until the ball is touched in the front court. So even if the ball is in the air and in the front court, it is still a violation if it has yet to be touched by a player in the front court.

On that play the ball was deflected out of bounds by a Uconn player in the front court (not a defensive possession by the way, just a deflection.) The result was a throw-in for SH in the front court satisfying the 10 second rule - where the inbound pass went did not change that.

The play with Azzi on the rebound was a bad call by the ref - she touched the ball before she went out of bounds, started to reach for it but stopped until she re-established herself with both feet. The ref blew the whistle thinking the first reach actually connected. That was the second bad whistle - the first was for a shot clock violation where it was a wild shot high off the backboard but still grazed the rim on the way down. That was able to be corrected.

 

[Skeets]

I’m gonna disagree. 2 feet in doesnt mean she re-established. And she def did not

ok, but that begs the question, what do you have to do to re-establish? Go through TSA with a valid passport? Maybe a real ID? Or can you get away with just a birth certificate?

You seem to know what you're talking about, so please expound on your post. thanks.

 

[Geew1992]

A player after going out of bounds has to reestablish themselves in bounds by stepping on to the court again before touching the ball. (With both feet? I don’t know).

It can be only 1 foot. But…..if the player is.l not forced out, they can’t be the first to touch it. I think the question is… was Azzi forced out?

 

[Geew1992]

ok, but that begs the question, what do you have to do to re-establish? Go through TSA with a valid passport? Maybe a real ID? Or can you get away with just a birth certificate?

You seem to know what you're talking about, so please expound on your post. thanks.

So I just checked. I was wrong about the feet. It’s if she was voluntarily or involuntarily out of bounds

 

[Basingstoke]

On the original question, the ten seconds is a single time thing from the start of a possession (30 seconds) until the ball is touched in the front court. So even if the ball is in the air and in the front court, it is still a violation if it has yet to be touched by a player in the front court.

On that play the ball was deflected out of bounds by a Uconn player in the front court (not a defensive possession by the way, just a deflection.) The result was a throw-in for SH in the front court satisfying the 10 second rule - where the inbound pass went did not change that.

The play with Azzi on the rebound was a bad call by the ref - she touched the ball before she went out of bounds, started to reach for it but stopped until she re-established herself with both feet. The ref blew the whistle thinking the first reach actually connected. That was the second bad whistle - the first was for a shot clock violation where it was a wild shot high off the backboard but still grazed the rim on the way down. That was able to be corrected.

IMHO, the refs also blew the out of bounds call on Azzi when the only reason she went out of bounds was because of a hip check - should have been a foul.

 

[BBallF]

That was an erroneous call. Azzi was careful to re-establish inbound with both feet before touching the ball. The ref missed because she was behind the play. Oddly, the announcers saw the replay and still mischaracterized it.

And Geno asked Morgan Valley to look up the play on her tablet but it was too late to challenge it.

 

[BBallF]

Here’s the scenario: a team brings the ball across the half-court line within the allotted 10 seconds. The ball is knocked out of bounds by the defense in the frontcourt and on the subsequent throw in, it is tossed into the backcourt.

Question: does the 10 second rule for getting the ball across the half-court reapply?

It applies. If not a team in theory could run out a shot clock and ice a game by passing it or dribbling it around in the backcourt after it was knocked away in the front court.