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Message: [QUOTE="Yawin4Heisman, post: 5221588, member: 2872"] The refs absolutely hurt us tonight. Back to back possessions where they got CLEAR out of bounds calls wrong (plays happened right in front of refs too) when we were down 3 and had all the momentum… they go down and hit a 3 to go up 6 and it took the juice out of the building… did you see Karaban’s 3rd and 4th foul? Did you agree with both of those? Many other examples… I hate this board when it comes to this… it’s as if only one thing can be true... Either the players lost the game OR refs cost us the game, couldn’t possibly be a combination of the two (with non-equal weightings to make this even more complicated!)… Here’s a complex thought… it’s possible we played poorly and also had a number of calls that went against us that lowered the probability of us winning in a “meaningful enough to discuss as a topic” way… had we not gotten screwed on clear cut calls the game may have played out differently, we’ll never know (and not arguing it would have)… some of you almost act like you don’t deserve a fair shake from refs if you play poorly and others are just hardo enemies of any nuanced takes on the subject… [/QUOTE]