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Message: [QUOTE="upstater, post: 5308613, member: 153"] I don't think we should steer people away from teaching high school; it would be the end of us. I do however steer people away from academia. This country has made a cultural choice to deemphasize higher education, so it's wrong to put people on a career path to oblivion. I don't know of a single academic who isn't steering people away. We have a new AI Department at our school. I'm part of the organizing team. We look at a lot of studies that explore its benefits and drawbacks. After last year, we all returned to discuss the fact that anecdotal evidence is much more important at this point than anything we get from a study. How students use ChatGPT and how we believed they might use it are two totally separate things. I'm steeped in this stuff and I had the top of my head explode at the end of the term 2 months ago. I never imagined people would be doing some of the stuff I saw. I don't see the point in running a paper through plagiarism checkers. Students are getting mixed signals. The whole point of the software is to do exactly this so telling them not to is fruitless. CL82 had the right idea by mentioning grades. That's the choke point. If you could get rid of grades, like Hampshire College does, you could only then talk about ethics, learning, individual empowerment to students. But not having grades makes things time & work intensive. At Hampshire you have professors closely involved with student projects. Heck, there are faculty now who are using AI to grade, and this -- ironically -- is pissing off students. [/QUOTE]

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