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Message: [QUOTE="Pudge, post: 3249420, member: 364"] Both McEntee & Whitmer’s passing numbers were greater than I expected. (First year) So. I’m thinking I’ve got an EFFECTIVENESS scale in my head. Lorenzen came in & took charge - we were a better team. Neither Whitmer or McEntee or Bones or Hernandez really have you that leader that was beyond just stats. I think Shirreffs is thought of fondly due to that component - despite the losing. That’s my hope for Beaudry. And for once - can we see a recruit QB take over the position. Krajewski or Z or Spector. [/QUOTE]