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Message: [QUOTE="Mr. French, post: 3721048, member: 2292"] Yeah I thought they snuck one in sometime recently, but that kinda is my point - no one even remembers or cares. If I were naming Pac12 schools I'd say "Oregon" which naturally follows up with "Oregon State" otherwise I'd forget they were a program. Rutgers' 29 year drought is nothing to sneeze at, especially given they are located in NJ. They were the program that stood out in this example because of that - they just have very little relevance. Rutgers, Depaul, BC they still get talked about to a degree. Oregon State is just off the grid, lol. They had 3 appearances in 80-82, all later vacated. They then had multiple appearances in the late 80s, last one in 1990, a couple times as 5 and 6 seeds, and they lost in the first round EVERY TIME. Then they went in 2016 and lost in the first round. I mean, that is putrid. [/QUOTE]