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Message: [QUOTE="notthestuff, post: 2507491, member: 8549"] Of course there are rare times you abandon help. A perfect example is up 3 with less than 10 seconds left you want to face guard to the point where the only shot a guy can get is falling out of bounds to his right. I guess another example would be if the team you were playing had no players who could dribble by any of your players. Other than those instances, I can't think of another where you'd ever eliminate help. If you want to limit threes the only way to effectively do it without allowing a layup line is to stop penetration while aggressively pressuring the ball, don't double team ever, hedge harder on ball screens, and switch on any screens away from the ball. One is 100% dependent on the abilities of your players and the second, third, and fourth have tradeoffs that you have to live and die with. All I'll say to your last point is you may be right, he may not be getting through and I have no way to factually dispute that. But, sometimes it takes a team longer than we'd like to build good habits and 3 months of practice with a brand new team contrary to popular belief here is really not that long. [/QUOTE]