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Message: [QUOTE="Sonova, post: 2504435, member: 7513"] Ok but listen to yourself (and others with similar POVs)...we aren’t good shooters, we don’t pass the ball, we get out rebounded and now we’re too young to defend (which I don’t buy at all. I’d argue that younger players actually play more/better defense in some capacity because so much of it is pure effort and young players still buy into coaching and motivation from coaches. Obviously technique and understanding come with experience AND coaching but we have none of the above. And we sure as hell don’t have accountability or consequences for not playing defense - THIS has been an Ollie trademark for years. The excuses are really mind-boggling in the face of actual facts over time. [/QUOTE]