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Message: [QUOTE="Methalius, post: 5279543, member: 13213"] I believe Rose and Jackson will get into the HoF and I believe they should be in there. I think if and when they are voted in, there should be a footnote on their plaques stating that they were banned from baseball due to betting etc. The case of all of the PED users for me, it is simple. Yes, PED's don't make you hit a ball. Your hand, eye coordination does that but it turned guys who were already good players to borderline Hall of Famers and it turned guys who were already Hall of Famers into Gods. Bonds was a great player before he started using PED's but PED's turned him from a great player into an Immortal. If you don't think PED's helped Bonds ask yourself this question then. "Why did he use them?" If they didn't help him or helped him minimally why bother with them? McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc. destroyed the one thing that gave baseball it's one thing that MLB had over the NFL and the NBA. They destroyed their record books. Now one could argue that due to segregation, that destroyed the history books in and of itself. That players like Josh Gibson would have changed the game. That is a different conversation to me. BTW, for those who casually state that "everyone knew" that McGwire and Sosa and Bonds were using PED's that is just patently false. That is revisionist history. I was in my late 20's during the 1998 season and I remember distinctly there was 1 voice who dared to claim Steroids or PEDs. That was Bob Costas and he was told that he was being cynical by the majority of sports writers at the time. No one wanted to hear it and no one wanted it to be true. [/QUOTE]

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