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Message: [QUOTE="DogMania, post: 5279458, member: 21"] As for Shoeless Joe, he died in 1951. Apparently he didn't have any biological children, but one of the nephews he and his wife raised along with an apparent great-great-grandson (not sure how that's possible) named after him are still around to enjoy the moment he's inducted if they can hang on for another few years. Geeez, could they have possibly waited any longer!?!? I've seen a documentary or two on him where he apparently hit the cover off the ball during that Black Sox series where some players apparently threw the world series. I'm sure his life sucked after being thrown out of baseball while he was one of the best players in the game at the time. As for Rose, although he was a hell of a player, he was an arrogant SOB and a flat out liar never really owning up to what he did. At this point just vote him into the Hall of Fame so that we no longer have to talk about him. [/QUOTE]