Penn State...

[suzyq]

brutal report. Too late.

 

[freescooter]

Everyone knew and nobody did anything! Disgraceful.

 

[Edward Sargent]

brutal report. Too late.

I love the "humane thing to do" Dogs are given better treatment. Ken Frazier the CEO of Merck (I worked for them for 25 years) was tabbed by the Board of Trustees to get that investigation done. It was one of those looks around the table resulting in the conclusion "Ken you got Merck out of the Vioxx litigation why don't you handle this"? Ken is a lawyer/litigator who tried death row cases pro bono. He also ran Public Affairs for many years. I am sure it wasn't easy, but it looks like he did a damn good job picking someone to get it done. The interesting parts of the report are really gpoing to be how deep the "football is God culture" extends throughout Penn State, the alumni, the State College community and the State of Pennsylvania. It looks to be VERY deep, deep enough for a predatory pedofile to operate unscathed for that long. I wonder where else similar cultures can be found - hmmm?

 

[Dogbreath2U]

I wonder where else similar cultures can be found - hmmm?

Probably all over the place.

 

[arnie3]

I agree with this article's assessment. The only way to deal with this school is the "Death Penalty"

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...n-wake-of-freeh-report-child-sex-abuse-071212

 

[aceboon]

time for that statue to come down

 

[UConn990411]

NCAA: "As long as their APR scores are high enough, we don't give a **** if they're enabling child molesters."

 

[arnie3]

Suzy is right. This is a brutal report. I'm not going to take a cynical attitude because lives were ruined by these uncaring people. This school should, and I hope does receive the ultimate penalty. I don't care how alumnae like Dana O'Neil try to spin this, the only answer is to shut down this football program for 5 years, and start over again. The victims of this tragedy deserve no less.

 

[Kitaman]

All of this negative news (including ours) is depressing. Its time for some institution somewhere to produce some good news. Sadly that won't get reported.

 

[EricLA]

The report said that Paterno, along with officials Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, and former president Graham Spanier, "repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse from the authorities," and it blamed those four men for failing to stop Sandusky and protect other chidlren from his harm.

The four officials showed a "striking lack of empathy" for the victims of Sandusky's abuse and empowered the former assitant coach to continue abusing, the report said.

Found this in a CBS news write up. Disgraceful and disgusting. some are arguing that child abuse and child molestation are not covered by NCAA rules. I can see why the NCAA wouldn't have a formal policy on it, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't act given the findings. I mean, the former FBI director came up with the report after his investigation. Guilty on all counts, and the NCAA should step up. Let PSU try to sue the NCAA for taking football away for 5 years.

 

[babysheep]

Suzy is right. This is a brutal report. I'm not going to take a cynical attitude because lives were ruined by these uncaring people. This school should, and I hope does receive the ultimate penalty. I don't care how alumnae like Dana O'Neil try to spin this, the only answer is to shut down this football program for 5 years, and start over again. The victims of this tragedy deserve no less.

The damage of the story itself has done more than enough damage. Their coach is dead, and their program and school reputations have been shattered. When anyone thinks of Penn State now, they'll first think of Ben and Jerry the ice cream dudes, and how a bunch of guys who won a bunch of football games deceived, controlled and played an entire university, from the bottom with the janitors up to the top with the board of trustees, into allowing a pedophile to (and this makes it so much worse) groom young boys in his camps to become his eventual victims, whose lives have been irrevocably damaged, for at least 14 years.

Do you really need to take the football team away completely and punish all the people who had absolutely zero involvement in the atrocities?

 

[superjohn]

A talking head on ESPN just said one thing the NCAA can't do is change the rules as they go along, ummm that's exactly what they did with UConn. Joe Paterno is a POS and anyone in the media who tries to protect his legacy is a POS.

 

[progrocks]

Giving the death penalty to a Big Ten program is against NCAA rules. No way anything major happens on that side.

 

[bmayuc]

The damage of the story itself has done more than enough damage. Their coach is dead, and their program and school reputations have been shattered. When anyone thinks of Penn State now, they'll first think of Ben and Jerry the ice cream dudes, and how a bunch of guys who won a bunch of football games deceived, controlled and played an entire university, from the bottom with the janitors up to the top with the board of trustees, into allowing a pedophile to (and this makes it so much worse) groom young boys in his camps to become his eventual victims, whose lives have been irrevocably damaged, for at least 14 years.

Do you really need to take the football team away completely and punish all the people who had absolutely zero involvement in the atrocities?

Their football team is riding high right now, scooping recruits like nothing happened.

This program is the reason that many kids were raped. $k that. Kill the program.

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[Gurleyman]

It's in many ways an unfair comparison - but the current UConn MBB players are being punished because their predecessors didn't keep up with their studies. If the world felt ok about that, then surely they can deal with Penn State players who get to transfer and play right away. The death penalty would also help many of those players, who are unwilling to leave a tarnished program for blind loyalty. Save them from themselves.

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[Fishy]

APR hit for looking the other way when an assistant coach tries to put his wiener into lil kids?

Nada.

 

[huskyharry]

It's very interesting how much Penn State is in the news and people on this
message board and elsewhere are talking about severe pelvic use for the
football program including even the death penalty, but the Syracuse
situation with Bernie Fine is all but forgotten.

There were certainly more victims in the Sandusky case, and the assaults
occurred more recently. But, there are some parts of the Bernie Fine case
which were worse than the Sandusky case. When the alleged abuse occurred,
Coach Fine was actually a paid employee of Syracuse University and the
victims were actually ball boys who are part of the Syracuse basketball
program... essentially unpaid volunteers, who, as minors, certainly should
have received protection from the basketball program. Instead, when the
initial complaint was raised to the University 7 years ago, instead of
taking positive, affirmative action to correct the problem at that time,
they hired their own law firm to perform a perfunctory/incomplete
investigation to ensure that the allegations wouldn't reach the light of
day. When he allegations surfaced again 7 years later, the Head of the
Syracuse basketball program publicly assaults the character of the victims.

It seems to me like the "circle the wagons" culture for Syracuse basketball
is even stronger than that of Penn State football.

I have never been a Syracuse basketball hater, and I used to have a great
deal of respect for Coach Boeheim. However, this whole situation thoroughly
disgusts me and it is deplorable that he gets away entirely unscathed.

 

[babysheep]

Their football team is riding high right now, scooping recruits like nothing happened.

This program is the reason that many kids were raped. $k that. Kill the program.

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No, Jerry Sandusky is the reason kids were raped, not the football team. The players are especially not responsible. Clear out the officers and coaches if you like, but the players don't deserve to have their team taken away.

 

[arnie3]

The damage of the story itself has done more than enough damage. Their coach is dead, and their program and school reputations have been shattered. When anyone thinks of Penn State now, they'll first think of Ben and Jerry the ice cream dudes, and how a bunch of guys who won a bunch of football games deceived, controlled and played an entire university, from the bottom with the janitors up to the top with the board of trustees, into allowing a pedophile to (and this makes it so much worse) groom young boys in his camps to become his eventual victims, whose lives have been irrevocably damaged, for at least 14 years.

Do you really need to take the football team away completely and punish all the people who had absolutely zero involvement in the atrocities?

Yes. That school will learn nothing from this if there are not strict sanctions. Even ESPN has come out in favor of strict sanctions.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ll-penn-state-nittany-lions-earned-wrath-ncaa

 

[Edward Sargent]

NCAA: "As long as their APR scores are high enough, we don't give a **** if they're enabling child molesters."

To put it in a somewhat less cynical way - the NCAA could be consiiered part of the cultural problem that allowed this to happen. It will be interesting to see what the NCAA does. Penn St makes a lot of money for the NCAA and they are a very arbitrary organization.

 

[ktuck911]

NCAA: "As long as their APR scores are high enough, we don't give a **** if they're enabling child molesters."

exactly!

A legacy should never take precedence over the situation like the one it Penn State

 

[8893]

The damage of the story itself has done more than enough damage. Their coach is dead, and their program and school reputations have been shattered. When anyone thinks of Penn State now, they'll first think of Ben and Jerry the ice cream dudes, and how a bunch of guys who won a bunch of football games deceived, controlled and played an entire university, from the bottom with the janitors up to the top with the board of trustees, into allowing a pedophile to (and this makes it so much worse) groom young boys in his camps to become his eventual victims, whose lives have been irrevocably damaged, for at least 14 years.

Do you really need to take the football team away completely and punish all the people who had absolutely zero involvement in the atrocities?

No, Jerry Sandusky is the reason kids were raped, not the football team. The players are especially not responsible. Clear out the officers and coaches if you like, but the players don't deserve to have their team taken away.

I really could not disagree more with your exceedingly narrow view on this.

If you have heard even brief summaries of the investigative report, it is clear that the reason Sandusky was allowed to continue raping young boys for decades is because everybody wanted to preserve the reputation of the football program. The culture that worships that football program above all else, and all the people involved in it, are exactly what knowingly enabled Sandusky to continue raping kids. It is disgusting, and the fact that people are concerned about preserving the culture that enabled it is even moreso imo.

If I was on that Board of Trustees the first thing I would do is self-impose the death penalty for the program, to show just how serious the school is about making sure that that sick culture dies. Let the players transfer elsewhere without penalty, but there is no way that that school should be able to enjoy a football program for a long time after all the harm it has caused and all the lives it has ruined.

 

[hungry husky]

They should just cover up the statue for 10 years, then both sides win.

 

[NEforceUConn]

if psu does not get a 5+ year bowl ban and no one cares then indeed the apocalypse is now.

 

[Gurleyman]

My thought is that since Penn State has a big ag school, they can tear down the old statue and construct a new one out of bullshit.

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