Penn State Football Unionizing...In talks with Big 10

[Dizzy21]

Looks like this is the next step is happening with unionizing and demanding benefits along with revenue sharing....

PSU QB Sean Clifford, Big Ten Commissioner Discuss Improving Player Benefits

 

[huskymedic]

Not quite:

 

[huskymedic]

Further clarification:

 

[Exit 4]

Get ready for unintended consequences…. For the players.

Meaning- now you have a true work environment on your hands and that is different than volunteer sports.

 

[huskymedic]

Extra Point/Matt Brown threw out some thoughts tonights:

 

[huskymedic]

 

[Stinger92860]

Revenue sharing request may require a players strike. I would absolutely love to see this in the B1G and sec. I wonder if fans would cross picket lines, lol. Would the “students athletes“ be banned from attending classes or workouts.

@Exit 4, in the sec how many of these kids receive an education they can leverage after they leave. Many don’t have the option of the nfl. It is a job now, but it comes with a very short career. What happened at UNC was a disgrace and thats only the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Stymie]

Fine.
Let’s be fair and real about it.
Highly recruited and fail to develop as projected.
You’re cut.
B-bye.
Open up a roster spot for another “body”.
Your 1-2 year education in communications or travel and hospitality ain’t gonna get you too far.
Careful what you wish for.

 

[uconndogs]

Major college athletics let its overriding mission be money generation and the consequences were entirely predictable.

What a mess……

 

[weyuo]

Geez, so much for amateur athletics. I blame the Olympic Committee for opening this can of worms when they allowed pro athletes to compete in the Olympics. Since then amateur athletics has decayed into this, unionized college athletics. And when these college athletes don't get their way and go on strike the fans as usual will do most of the suffering.

 

[MKH2317]

Well this isn’t good. Unionization of college football players and the push for a Power 2 are the beginning of the end of major college football. I know this has been unfolding gradually over the years but now it’s finally reached a point of no return. When greed/power/money becomes the primary motivation over the greater good of the student athletes, the eventual demise is inevitable. I really believe that the days of college football are numbered. Greed, combined with the diminishing interest in the sport due to head injuries, is going to be the end of it. I think it’ll all be gone in 20-30 years. I’d love to see the B1G and the SEC struggle because of their money lust.

 

[huskymedic]

Let’s try this again….

Penn State QB Sean Clifford, Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren discuss improving benefits

-> Big Ten football players have had conversations with league commissioner Kevin Warren this week about giving athletes a bigger voice in the future and about improving a variety of benefits for players. Warren also spoke with the leader of a nascent players' association about the possibility of having an independent group represent the players in conversations with the league.

Penn State quarterback Sean Clifford said the conversations with Warren have been a positive, collaborative start to giving players a seat at the table in future decisions with the league. He said he and the other players he has spoken with have no intention of creating a union or entering a contentious negotiation with the league at this point.

Warren issued a statement later Friday saying that the Big Ten has, indeed, started "the process of formalizing the Big Ten Student-Athlete Advisory Committee to seek input from our student-athletes, including Sean Clifford, about the changing landscape of college athletics." He added that the conference "has not had any negotiations with the CFBPA, or any players' organization, and do not have any scheduled." <-

 

[Dizzy21]

Let’s try this again….

Penn State QB Sean Clifford, Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren discuss improving benefits

-> Big Ten football players have had conversations with league commissioner Kevin Warren this week about giving athletes a bigger voice in the future and about improving a variety of benefits for players. Warren also spoke with the leader of a nascent players' association about the possibility of having an independent group represent the players in conversations with the league.

Penn State quarterback Sean Clifford said the conversations with Warren have been a positive, collaborative start to giving players a seat at the table in future decisions with the league. He said he and the other players he has spoken with have no intention of creating a union or entering a contentious negotiation with the league at this point.

Warren issued a statement later Friday saying that the Big Ten has, indeed, started "the process of formalizing the Big Ten Student-Athlete Advisory Committee to seek input from our student-athletes, including Sean Clifford, about the changing landscape of college athletics." He added that the conference "has not had any negotiations with the CFBPA, or any players' organization, and do not have any scheduled." <-

Whatever you want to call it, student athletes are getting together in an organized format as a group to demand concessions from their "employer". I understand they don't yet want to call it a union, but that essentially what it is.

 

[huskymedic]

Whatever you want to call it, student athletes are getting together in an organized format as a group to demand concessions from their "employer". I understand they don't yet want to call it a union, but that essentially what it is.

Northwestern Football tried to unionize unsuccessfully back in 2015/2016? The PAC12 and a few others (#WeAreUnited) tried it in 2020 - not sure it got them any where significant.

Eventually, there will be some success but the way a “story” starts and gets legs is laughable in the “be first-not accurate” day and age. (I’m talking the “media” - not OP/You)

 

[Stinger92860]

Geez, so much for amateur athletics. I blame the Olympic Committee for opening this can of worms when they allowed pro athletes to compete in the Olympics. Since then amateur athletics has decayed into this, unionized college athletics. And when these college athletes don't get their way and go on strike the fans as usual will do most of the suffering.

German and Soviet athletes, just for starters, were professionals long before the Olympic Committee allowed over the counter professionals.

 

[Stinger92860]

Northwestern Football tried to unionize unsuccessfully back in 2015/2016? The PAC12 and a few others (#WeAreUnited) tried it in 2020 - not sure it got them any where significant.

Eventually, there will be some success but the way a “story” starts and gets legs is laughable in the “be first-not accurate” day and age.

With each passing year there is more and more money flowing in. Access or potential access to money drives behavior, many times crazy behavior. It’s not just the athletes it’s also their personal “team” supporting them.

 

[weyuo]

German and Soviet athletes, just for starters, were professionals long before the Olympic Committee allowed over the counter professionals.

Did that make it right? I don't think so. They should have been banned until they conformed and played by the same rules everyone did. But we don't live in that world anymore. We live in a world where you obey the rules you feel like and ignore the ones you don't like.

 

[Stymie]

Geez, so much for amateur athletics. I blame the Olympic Committee for opening this can of worms when they allowed pro athletes to compete in the Olympics. Since then amateur athletics has decayed into this, unionized college athletics. And when these college athletes don't get their way and go on strike the fans as usual will do most of the suffering.

Suffering?
Moi?
Au contrare.
Amateur sports is an interesting diversion from the day to day.
There are a unlimited options available to a curious mind and body.
NFL, NBA are already off my radar.
MLBB fading.
Track and field very enjoyable.
Canoeing, cooking, gardening, fishing, on and on and on.
Unlimited options for an active body and mind.
When they screw it up, I’ll move on.
No worries.

 

[Stinger92860]

Did that make it right? I don't think so. They should have been banned until they conformed and played by the same rules everyone did. But we don't live in that world anymore. We live in a world where you obey the rules you feel like and ignore the ones you don't like.

I was simply stating a fact.

 

[weyuo]

Of course, everyone has the point of enough is enough and moves on. I'm just saying it's sad that the fans are the last voice paid attention to when if it wasn't for the fans there would be no organized sports.

 

[Stinger92860]

Suffering?
Moi?
Au contrare.
Amateur sports is an interesting diversion from the day to day.
There are a unlimited options available to a curious mind and body.
NFL, NBA are already off my radar.
MLBB fading.
Track and field very enjoyable.
Canoeing, cooking, gardening, fishing, on and on and on.
Unlimited options for an active body and mind.
When they screw it up, I’ll move on.
No worries.

How does hurling not make your list?

My diversion is the sports I play or the walks on the beach I take. I have no desire to invest in a major amount of TV watching. I’ll watch UConn games otherwise its replays or game highlights if I am interested. When the NFL starts, I’m not giving up a beautiful Saturday to my a z z on a coach. I‘ll do that when the weather is lousy. Outside of UConn, I’ve lost my interest.

 

[Stymie]

No argument from me.
Same process in most sectors of of a capitalist society.
Manufacturers create a good product and offer it at a fair price.
Marketplace consumes it.
Considers it a fair value proposition.
Then manufacturers cheapen the product, raise the price or diminish the experience.
Reaches an unacceptable level.
Demand destruction occurs.
Marketplace bails, seeks alternative value propositions.
Contrary to Gordon Gecko-“greed ain’t good.”

 

[Stymie]

How does hurling not make your list?

My diversion is the sports I play or the walks on the beach I take. I have no desire to invest in a major amount of TV watching. I’ll watch UConn games otherwise its replays or game highlights if I am interested. When the NFL starts, I’m not giving up a beautiful Saturday to my a z z on a coach. I‘ll do that when the weather is lousy. Outside of UConn, I’ve lost my interest.

Left “hurling” in my college days.
I also walk a great deal.
Earbuds in- very therapeutic in a variety of ways.

 

[CL82]

Geez, so much for amateur athletics. I blame the Olympic Committee for opening this can of worms when they allowed pro athletes to compete in the Olympics. Since then amateur athletics has decayed into this, unionized college athletics. And when these college athletes don't get their way and go on strike the fans as usual will do most of the suffering.

I actually blame justice Kavanaugh for his concurring opinion in which he states that athletes are actually employees. Entirely pointless dicta that will have long reaching consequences.

 

[CL82]

Let’s try this again….

Penn State QB Sean Clifford, Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren discuss improving benefits

-> Big Ten football players have had conversations with league commissioner Kevin Warren this week about giving athletes a bigger voice in the future and about improving a variety of benefits for players. Warren also spoke with the leader of a nascent players' association about the possibility of having an independent group represent the players in conversations with the league.

Penn State quarterback Sean Clifford said the conversations with Warren have been a positive, collaborative start to giving players a seat at the table in future decisions with the league. He said he and the other players he has spoken with have no intention of creating a union or entering a contentious negotiation with the league at this point.

Warren issued a statement later Friday saying that the Big Ten has, indeed, started "the process of formalizing the Big Ten Student-Athlete Advisory Committee to seek input from our student-athletes, including Sean Clifford, about the changing landscape of college athletics." He added that the conference "has not had any negotiations with the CFBPA, or any players' organization, and do not have any scheduled." <-

“ at this point“