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Message: [QUOTE="WhereistheDove?, post: 4037210, member: 1109"] Can you just stop with the strawmen for once on this board? You not addressing the actual discussion and then telling me what my point is and why it's wrong is not helpful to anything and delegitimizes your point here since you're clearly not capable of defending your position. CLEARLY, there is an expected return as I have discussed numerous times now. Whether that will actually come to fruition is very much in the air. I work in the startup space. Most of them fizzle, even the ones that have big name backers. If I had a nickel for every time I've worked with a highly capitalized startup with big name investors that folded or sold for pennies on the dollar because their model didn't pan out as they and their investors expected, I would have quite a few more nickels. [/QUOTE]