Our defensive scheme and the NFL

[huskypantz]

Anyone else notice the 4-2-5 employed by GB yesterday? They're not alone. I know we're likely looking at a 3-3-5, but the principles are not so different. I think more and more schools will move to it as the defense of choice to combat the spread. This is a good move for us.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Let's hope the DC hire and his schemes are are built on data Edsall saw as the Lions special whatever coordinator.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Anyone else notice the 4-2-5 employed by GB yesterday? They're not alone. I know we're likely looking at a 3-3-5, but the principles are not so different. I think more and more schools will move to it as the defense of choice to combat the spread. This is a good move for us.

Yes, and more and more successful NFL offenses will run the ball. Leveon Bell had 172 yards yesterday. Many college teams are still run heavy, certainly the SEC is. Given the variety of offensive schemes you see in college, having a very adaptable system would be ideal. Fast LBs and big safeties that can stop the run, handle the triple option and get to the QB if needed.

 

[storrsroars]

Yes, and more and more successful NFL offenses will run the ball. Leveon Bell had 172 yards yesterday. Many college teams are still run heavy, certainly the SEC is. Given the variety of offensive schemes you see in college, having a very adaptable system would be ideal. Fast LBs and big safeties that can stop the run, handle the triple option and get to the QB if needed.

The Steelers gain a lot of rushing yards because LeVeon Bell is an exceptional RB. There is nobody currently in the NFL who is as patient waiting for holes and has the ability to foresee where those holes will be like Bell. That he also has the skills to explode through those holes is almost a bonus.

If a team wants to be run-heavy, they need backs to play more like Bell than simply rely on raw physical talent.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The Steelers gain a lot of rushing yards because LeVeon Bell is an exceptional RB. There is nobody currently in the NFL who is as patient waiting for holes and has the ability to foresee where those holes will be like Bell. That he also has the skills to explode through those holes is almost a bonus.

If a team wants to be run-heavy, they need backs to play more like Bell than simply rely on raw physical talent.

Can't argue he's excellent. But look at the teams with the best running games and look at the teams that were playing this weekend. The best teams, and coaches are adapting already to the fact that defenses have been aligned to stop the pass first. Detroit was the most pass heavy playoff team, and everyone knew that they had no chance as a result.

 

[huskypantz]

Can't argue he's excellent. But look at the teams with the best running games and look at the teams that were playing this weekend. The best teams, and coaches are adapting already to the fact that defenses have been aligned to stop the pass first. Detroit was the most pass heavy playoff team, and everyone knew that they had no chance as a result.

The 4 remaining playoff teams are in the top 7 in passing yardage. Pretty good correlation between successful passing attacks and success in the win column. The Pats are a little different as they run a true multiple offense.

 

[huskypantz]

Yes, and more and more successful NFL offenses will run the ball. Leveon Bell had 172 yards yesterday. Many college teams are still run heavy, certainly the SEC is. Given the variety of offensive schemes you see in college, having a very adaptable system would be ideal. Fast LBs and big safeties that can stop the run, handle the triple option and get to the QB if needed.

Of course the system needs to be adaptable. I don't know the percentages but the teams we play (except Navy) tend to play 3-4 wide sets more often than not. So we can say that we're playing our "nickel" package but if you play it half the game or more, it stops being a package at some point and starts to become your base D.

 

[kris1]

The 4 remaining playoff teams are in the top 7 in passing yardage. Pretty good correlation between successful passing attacks and success in the win column. The Pats are a little different as they run a true multiple offense.

All 4 teams also have the 4 best QBs in the game. All 4 will be first ballot HOFers when they hang up the cleats.
Tom Brady vs Aaron Rodgers vs Ben Roethlisberger vs Matt Ryan - NFL Players Comp...

 

[HuskyHawk]

The 4 remaining playoff teams are in the top 7 in passing yardage. Pretty good correlation between successful passing attacks and success in the win column. The Pats are a little different as they run a true multiple offense.

Atlanta and New England are top 7 rushing (Atlanta #5). Pittsburgh would be if you extrapolated the 2nd half of the season after Bell came back from suspension (and when they played their best). Green Bay not so much. Maybe balanced offense (which Dallas also had) is what is predictive.

 

[huskypantz]

All 4 teams also have the 4 best QBs in the game. All 4 will be first ballot HOFers when they hang up the cleats.

Right......and QBs, not RBs, win games. Hence, passing will rule the NFL, not rushing attacks.

 

[huskypantz]

Atlanta and New England are top 7 rushing (Atlanta #5). Pittsburgh would be if you extrapolated the 2nd half of the season after Bell came back from suspension (and when they played their best). Green Bay not so much. Maybe balanced offense (which Dallas also had) is what is predictive.

Atlanta and New England run well because they stretch defenses via the pass. Dallas definitely is run-first but it doesn't hurt when your QB is a threat to run.

 

[navery12]

All 4 teams also have the 4 best QBs in the game. All 4 will be first ballot HOFers when they hang up the cleats.
Tom Brady vs Aaron Rodgers vs Ben Roethlisberger vs Matt Ryan - NFL Players Comp...

I'd be shocked if Matt Ryan was a HOFer at all, let alone first ballot. Unless he puts together a few more seasons like this one, I just don't see it

 

[pick6s]

Of course the system needs to be adaptable. I don't know the percentages but the teams we play (except Navy) tend to play 3-4 wide sets more often than not. So we can say that we're playing our "nickel" package but if you play it half the game or more, it stops being a package at some point and starts to become your base D.

^^That last sentence hits the nail on the head. Most teams are in nickel most of the time, so they're 4-3-4 or 3-4-4 in name only. Most teams are really 3-3-5 or 4-2-5.

 

[gtcam]

All 4 teams also have the 4 best QBs in the game. All 4 will be first ballot HOFers when they hang up the cleats.
Tom Brady vs Aaron Rodgers vs Ben Roethlisberger vs Matt Ryan - NFL Players Comp...

Matt Ryan already pegged as a 1st ballot HoFer????????????
Don't think so