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... just wondering what anybody else's thoughts on our play at that position, even before Byron Jones got hurt.... we need help there.. like JUCO help if we want to be competitive next season....
 
Summers should be a good one with an off season of weight training etc. He has good height and shows some good instincts for a true freshman. I'd like to see us get away from short CB's.
 
jdb50 said:
Summers should be a good one with an off season of weight training etc. He has good height and shows some good instincts for a true freshman. I'd like to see us get away from short CB's.
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good point on the shorter CBs
 
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Javon needs to be permanently glued to the bench. He is beyond awful and with any luck of a play he makes always does that "safe" signal. I cannot stand watching the guy get burnt time and time again. Or causing penalties. Outrageously horrible.
 
I have high hopes for McAllister. Hopefully he replaces Williams on the 2deep next season.
 
minidarren said:
Javon needs to be permanently glued to the bench. He is beyond awful and with any luck of a play he makes always does that "safe" signal. I cannot stand watching the guy get burnt time and time again. Or causing penalties. Outrageously horrible.
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If J Williams and Stewart start next year we will know the process is flawed. If Obi is still at safety we will have wasted our money as fans again.
 
jdb50 said:
If J Williams and Stewart start next year we will know the process is flawed. If Obi is still at safety we will have wasted our money as fans again.
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I haven't seen any improvement from our d backs. Always trailing behind receivers,never looking back for the ball,and always getting called for pass interference.
 
here's my thought, get all new starters from JUCO for almost every skill position. dagger through the heart of the abomination this team became in 2011 and do a real rebuild. i know its cold, but there is no reason to hold onto scholarship players if they have no business being in a d1 football program
 
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ibleedhuskyblue said:
I was surprised that we had 4 DB's already committed for 015. Not anymore.
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They know it's an open competition for starting position against these DB's. I pray someone steps up out of this mess.
 
Reminds me of when Gratz and Wreh-Wilson were put out there due to attrition and injury. Both of them got burnt a bunch, but they learned and grew.

Our corners are learning how to be physical at the college level and will get better. Our safeties are learning how to cover in space.

I'm not worried about CB's and S's.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Reminds me of when Gratz and Wreh-Wilson were put out there due to attrition and injury. Both of them got burnt a bunch, but they learned and grew.

Our corners are learning how to be physical at the college level and will get better. Our safeties are learning how to cover in space.

I'm not worried about CB's and S's.
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I hope they learn before they are seniors.:rolleyes:
 
Chin Diesel said:
Reminds me of when Gratz and Wreh-Wilson were put out there due to attrition and injury. Both of them got burnt a bunch, but they learned and grew.

Our corners are learning how to be physical at the college level and will get better. Our safeties are learning how to cover in space.

I'm not worried about CB's and S's.
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Disagree Diesel, J Williams and Obi have had plenty of PT in the last 2 years and are not getting better. Put some weight on Obi and sit Stewart and we might be better at OLB.
 
jdb50 said:
Disagree Diesel, J Williams and Obi have had plenty of PT in the last 2 years and are not getting better. Put some weight on Obi and sit Stewart and we might be better at OLB.
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I agree.
 
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Put some weight on Stewart and move him to DE when we're in our base 4-3. The guy can't play and think simultaneously. When we're not in a 4-3 he needs to be on the bench. I agree about Obi as well he has the mentality for OLB.
 
I am fine with our dbs, williams included. The issue is the lack of pass rush. We need to increase our speed on the outside of our front 7. The staff needs to identify some pass rushers at OLB. They can come in on obvious passing situations. But right now, we have no one who brings speed off the edge.

Increasing the speed of this defense is paramount next year. I remain in the move Obi to olb camp. Will increase overall team speed, and he will be a much better coverage backer than Graham Stewart. I would seriously consider moving Stewart to a FB/H Back role.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Reminds me of when Gratz and Wreh-Wilson were put out there due to attrition and injury. Both of them got burnt a bunch, but they learned and grew.

Our corners are learning how to be physical at the college level and will get better. Our safeties are learning how to cover in space.

I'm not worried about CB's and S's.
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I agree. I think we are in very good position going into next season with a defensive secondary. I am worried about our OLB's though. Somebody needs to tell #2, that when you are playing OLB on the outside of a formation, and the QB is running the ball at you, or any other player is running the ball at you in open space - - you step OUT - not in. Same thing for the DE's.

Very simple guys....you are on the outside of the formation. Step OUT - not in.
 
Carl Spackler said:
I agree. I think we are in very good position going into next season with a defensive secondary. I am worried about our OLB's though. Somebody needs to tell #2, that when you are playing OLB on the outside of a formation, and the QB is running the ball at you, or any other player is running the ball at you in open space - - you step OUT - not in. Same thing for the DE's.

Very simple guys....you are on the outside of the formation. Step OUT - not in.
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That is high school football basics. Outside shoulder of the deepest back.
 
jdb50 said:
Disagree Diesel, J Williams and Obi have had plenty of PT in the last 2 years and are not getting better. Put some weight on Obi and sit Stewart and we might be better at OLB.
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I disagree with this. I think Melifonwu played a great game today. I think our CB's played well today. We have no significant pass rush.

Lord help us, if Diaco has not recruited anyone with adequate speed to play defense and pass rush.
 
I think William's issue is ball awareness. He sometimes commits absolutely unnecessary penalties. But I think he does a pretty good job sticking with receivers. There is only song long you can cover a receiver before he gets open. That is why we need to get a pass rush.

These last couple of games are the times the coaches should try different players in a pass rush role. Stand up Obi outside the end and have him speed rush. Try Junior Joseph as a pass rusher. Stand Cole Ormsby up. Anything.
 
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huskysupporter said:
I think William's issue is ball awareness. He sometimes commits absolutely unnecessary penalties. But I think he does a pretty good job sticking with receivers. There is only song long you can cover a receiver before he gets open. That is why we need to get a pass rush.

These last couple of games are the times the coaches should try different players in a pass rush role. Stand up Obi outside the end and have him speed rush. Try Junior Joseph as a pass rusher. Stand Cole Ormsby up. Anything.
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I've given up on coaching for this season. It's frustrating as hell to watch. I think #14 took his first real hit of the season tonight where he was in control, instead of getting bum rushed, and still coughed it up. Reminded me of some young idiot gung ho rushing into something, and getting his head blown off. So frustrating to watch. The game turned on that moment. Boyle trying to take on a defender on run and run over him.

News for you Tim, you're not Ben Roethlisberger. Short by an inch or two, and minus about 40 lbs. Don't try to run over linebackers. There is smart and brave - and there is dumb and brave, smart and brave lives. Now - maybe- had we not been rotating 3 QB's all season, our starting QB, might be mature enough by now, not to have done something stupid there, and maintained a drive to keep us within getting control of the game there - but we lost it. COACHING DECISIONS ALL SEASON LONG.

Ugg. As for the pass rush - I honestly don't recall the last blitz I saw from this defense. If it happened in recent games, I either wasn't paying attention well, or it was disguised really REALLY well.

If you're not going to bring extra pressure, you better find a player to put on the field that can do it alone.
 
huskysupporter said:
I think William's issue is ball awareness. He sometimes commits absolutely unnecessary penalties. But I think he does a pretty good job sticking with receivers. There is only song long you can cover a receiver before he gets open. That is why we need to get a pass rush.

These last couple of games are the times the coaches should try different players in a pass rush role. Stand up Obi outside the end and have him speed rush. Try Junior Joseph as a pass rusher. Stand Cole Ormsby up. Anything.
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Sometimes commits unnecessary penalties? He is flat out awful. I would venture to say that 6 times out of ten he commits a penalty. 2 times he is successful and let's us all know by his signature gesture. The other two times the offensive player makes the play.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Reminds me of when Gratz and Wreh-Wilson were put out there due to attrition and injury. Both of them got burnt a bunch, but they learned and grew.

Our corners are learning how to be physical at the college level and will get better. Our safeties are learning how to cover in space.

I'm not worried about CB's and S's.
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I mostly see pretty good cover skills which is athleticism but very little ball skills which is technique / coaching -- they can get better.
 
SeoulHuskyFan said:
I mostly see pretty good cover skills which is athleticism but very little ball skills which is technique / coaching -- they can get better.
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This. All of our DBs play the same way -- they try to run stride for stride witout loooking for the ball, and then just faceguard when the WR turns to find it. If they are all playing it the same stupid way, it's clear they are being coached to play tht way.

That having been said, unless we're going to start recruiting the Clowney's of the world we need to go back to recruiting the 6 foot 3, 220 pound guys like Trevardo and Marcus Williams and Cody Brown and turn them into speedrusing DEs, instead of recruiting the 250 pound kids who end up 270 as undersized DTs.
 
I think that the problem with the DBs was scheme. They put both corners in press coverage all night.

It seemed like another one of Diaco's practice games. Let's put them in press coverage t see how thye do and get some film on it.
 
Our DB play has been an issue all season. There have been countless times that we've had PI calls against us and they were obvious calls (our DBs aren't turned around and holding on to WRs shoulder pads or arms). Zero attempt to turn around and find the ball. Even though it's not a penalty to face guard in college, I still think it's better technique to at least know where/when the ball is coming to make a play on it as opposed to playing the receiver who, by now, has learned to play dummy and/or draw flags from the officials.
 
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