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Just recorded his 11th triple double of the season yesterday. I know this might not be the popular opinion, but I'm in the minority that thinks Curry plays second fiddle in the race for best guard in the league.

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You're in the minority, but statistically speaking you're also wrong.

Westbrook TS%: 55.8%
Curry TS%: 67.8%, which is absolutely insane.

Westbrook gets more rebounds and assists, but also .8 more turnovers per game. Their ORtgs are 125 and 116, respectively.

Westbrook is a great player and the best stat sheet stuffer in the NBA, but Curry's shooting is so unreal that it makes him, by far, the most efficient scorer in the league while also being the league's highest scorer. He's having one of the best seasons in history. He definitely isn't playing second fiddle to anyone.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Just recorded his 11th triple double of the season yesterday. I know this might not be the popular opinion, but I'm in the minority that thinks Curry plays second fiddle in the race for best guard in the league.

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I'm a huge russ fan. He's an absolute bull on the court.

But, Curry is just unconscious right now. It may be better to assess body of work as opposed to this season alone, because I just don't think you can argue against Steph right now.
 
UConnStats said:
Westbrook is a great player and the best stat sheet stuffer in the NBA, but Curry's shooting is so unreal that it makes him, by far, the most efficient scorer in the league while also being the league's highest scorer. He's having one of the best seasons in history. He definitely isn't playing second fiddle to anyone.
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And Curry is a thread from damn near anywhere inside half court. It's at the point of absurdity.

I said in another thread that I'm not an NBA guy, but Curry is making me regularly tune-in to Golden State Warriors games of all things.
 
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superjohn said:
Curry is way better.
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He is not way better. He is better due to his crazy offensive game, and takes care of the ball better, but Russell is a better passer defender and rebounder. Steph is better, but by no means is he way better
 
intlzncster said:
And Curry is a thread from damn near anywhere inside half court. It's at the point of absurdity.
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I read somewhere a week or so ago that he's shooting 67% on shots between 28 feet and half court, giving a statistical expected value of 2.02 pts per shot. Meaning Steph scores more efficiently from that range than someone taking uncontested layups under the basket.
 
I used to think Westbrook was better than Curry too mostly because I wasn't much of a fan of Curry. I can't say that anymore Curry is the best player in the world
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
He is not way better. He is better due to his crazy offensive game, and takes care of the ball better, but Russell is a better passer defender and rebounder. Steph is better, but by no means is he way better
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He's way better, Westbrook is talented as all hell and a stat stuffer but if it's a close game in the last few minutes there are a ton of guys I want over him. Westbrook gets more assists but no way in hell is he a better passer than Curry.
 
superjohn said:
He's way better, Westbrook is talented as all hell and a stat stuffer but if it's a close game in the last few minutes there are a ton of guys I want over him. Westbrook gets more assists but no way in hell is he a better passer than Curry.
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Yeah he is better in the clutch, everyone knows that, he is probably the best clutch player in the league. But he isn't a better passer than Russell just because he goes behind the back and does flashy passes, the numbers don't lie, Russell averages 4 more assists. He also had 20 assists last night, so...
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Yeah he is better in the clutch, everyone knows that, he is probably the best clutch player in the league. But he isn't a better passer than Russell just because he goes behind the back and does flashy passes, the numbers don't lie, Russell averages 4 more assists. He also had 20 assists last night, so...
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Curry just does flashy passes? He's the floor general for arguably the best team the league has ever seen. I used to like the Thunder years ago and thought they were a blast to watch. Unfortunately they have stagnated and or gotten worse. I find them horrible to watch nowadays, 5 minutes left in a close game and it's either Westbrook or Durant going 1 on 1 every possession, most predictable thing in the league. You would think they would have figured out by now that it doesn't work.
 
superjohn said:
Curry just does flashy passes? He's the floor general for arguably the best team the league has ever seen.
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No I didn't mean that's all he does, but people may think that he is a better passer because of those flashy passes. Russell is second in the league in both assists and assist percentage. Curry is 11th in assists and and 15th in assist percentage.
 
Curry is a more creative passer, perhaps more inivative. However, Westbrook averages four more assists with much worse options than Curry. It's hard to aruge that. At the same time, people really do underate Currys passing abitity, because the way he scores grasps most of our attention. Westbrook also averages 2 more rebounds, and has 11 triple doubles on the year, which leads the NBA. In no way is Curry WAY better, that's a stretch.
 
Huskyforlife said:
Curry is a more creative passer, perhaps more inivative. However, Westbrook averages four more assists with much worse options than Curry. It's hard to aruge that. At the same time, people really do underate Currys passing abitity, because the way he scores grasps most of our attention. Westbrook also averages 2 more rebounds, and has 11 triple doubles on the year, which leads the NBA. In no way is Curry WAY better, that's a stretch.
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Curry is way better because if you switch Westbrook and Curry, OKC gets way better and Warriors get much worse. Westbrook doesn't make his team better in the same way Curry does. Westbrook is a vastly superior athlete but not a vastly superior basketball player.
 
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@polycom How do you know this? I could say the same thing. There's no way to prove that, unless they actually did it.
 
Huskyforlife said:
@polycom How do you know this? I could say the same thing. There's no way to prove that, unless they actually did it.
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Look at the stats... statistically Curry is much more efficient shooter, he has a higher offensive efficiency rating. Not to mention personality wise could you imagine Draymond & Westbrook in the same locker room that sounds like a terrible idea.
 
@polycom Imagine if Westbrook played with Currys teammates, he probably average 12 assists, considering he's already averaging 10 with dion waiters and steven adams as starters. If Westbrook was on the Warriors he'd probably shoot more efficiently to. Not to mention Westbrook is the better defender between the two. It aint all about scoring.
 
polycom said:
Look at the stats... statistically Curry is much more efficient shooter, he has a higher offensive efficiency rating. Not to mention personality wise could you imagine Draymond & Westbrook in the same locker room that sounds like a terrible idea.
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That's more of a Draymond problem then Russ. Russ is very animated but he has never caused any problems.
 
Huskyforlife said:
@polycom Imagine if Westbrook played with Currys teammates, he probably average 12 assists, considering he's already averaging 10 with dion waiters and steven adams as starters. If Westbrook was on the Warriors he'd probably shoot more efficiently to. Not to mention Westbrook is the better defender between the two. It aint all about scoring.
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Westbrook plays with someone better than him who you fail to mention. It's almost criminal that two players who are considered top 5 players in the league aren't any theat to win it. 8 years of playing together and they are trending downward in recent years.
 
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Huskyforlife said:
@polycom Imagine if Westbrook played with Currys teammates, he probably average 12 assists, considering he's already averaging 10 with dion waiters and steven adams as starters. If Westbrook was on the Warriors he'd probably shoot more efficiently to. Not to mention Westbrook is the better defender between the two. It aint all about scoring.
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How? He is suddenly going to spend more time in the gym improving his jumpshot? That doesn't make sense. He isn't a great shooter that's the bottom line he uses his explosiveness. He'll continue to take bad shots no matter what team he is on.
 
Westbrook's shot selection can be pretty terrible but in this debate, Curry's 67% TS% is all you really need to look at. Steph is just playing out of his mind. I doubt he'll have another season this good. It's insane what he's doing.
 
nomar said:
Westbrook's shot selection can be pretty terrible but in this debate, Curry's 67% TS% is all you really need to look at. Steph is just playing out of his mind. I doubt he'll have another season this good. It's insane what he's doing.
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And I'm recognizing that. I never said Steph wasn't better as some think I did, I said he wasn't wayyy better. Russell can get 30 15 and 15 and that's not THAT abnormal for him. Steph can't do that. But Russell can't shoot nearly as well as Steph is on a night by night basis. They both have things they are better at.
 
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