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Message: [QUOTE="SVCBeercats, post: 2972061, member: 7874"] What is the competition for the lower notch kids? Life? No matter how one feels theoretically not all students are created equal. Other countries regarding education are not all about touchy feely. See Japan. See China. Their education is not completely in the hands of the education system. Their parents get involved. Or at least someone in the family gets involved. Sometimes a kid may need Dr. Frederick Herzberg's KITA - kick in the ass. I will admit many teachers teach like Ben Stein's Mr. Cantwell in the Wonder Years. Perhaps there isn't enough effort to reach the boys in the back of the room or the girls. A good friend who quit a successful industry career to teach math made a concerted effort to reach all of his students whether they wanted to be in his class or not. He would ask what they thought they wanted to do after high school. If there some who wanted to be carpenters, then by god he dedicated a number of classes to applying math to carpentry and how it made things easier and resulted in a higher quality result. He did this for several occupations. He hooked them for the rest of the math ride he was taking them on. He did not need any bovine scatology bureaucratic standardized tests for his kids to excel. But even he admits there are students who were not mentally equipped to excel. Anything they learned was a bonus. [/QUOTE]