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Message: [QUOTE="Dogdeacon, post: 2840732, member: 1026"] Referencing back to 2011 is a false equivalency to today's discussion, but I understand that it is relevant to Serena's body of work and for some cemented her character. Nonetheless, the question of the day is did Connors say worse things (back then or ever) than Serena did on Saturday to get her penalties? Was Connors penalized at all? Also I think its worth noting that even those most critical of Serena constantly point out that she does this when she is obviously losing and has no chance, arguing that its at best self-sabotage and more likely scapegoating quitter behavior to avoid responsibility for a loss. I saw the exact opposite in Serena's post-match behavior on Saturday so in this instance I don't buy that. In contrast Connors literally used the outburst to CHANGE the momentum of the match and impacted outcomes via petulant behavior. Maybe that's what Serena was trying to do, but I don't know that its ever worked for her or any woman. People are mad at Serena for undermining Osaka's win (which it did), but bottom line it also all but handed her the championship and a check for 3.8MM. I ain't mad at Dook for calling a bumbling Trajan Langdan 'take em' play. Again quite different that Connors & McEnroe definitely unnerved their opponents and often swung outcomes in their favor via tirades, outbursts, tantrums or whatever you want to call it. [/QUOTE]