OT: The Problem With Sports

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  1. whaler11

    whaler11 Kickoff: 11:11

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    I'm bouncing between the NFL game and the MLB game.

    You want to make money streaming games? Play them in less than 4 hours.

    Every play in the NFL game was under review and the game took forever. This is with both teams never taking a chance and kicking every field goal available.

    Somehow even after a million penalties in the football game - the MLB game is still in the 7th inning.

    If it ends in 9 innings the baseball game is still going to come in at over 4 hours.

    The 7th inning of the baseball game took an hour and six minutes.

    Other than people like me who is going to watch neverending slogs?
     
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    But I hear ya...
     
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  3. whaler11

    whaler11 Kickoff: 11:11

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    A reach?

    Streaming requires a level of attention I don't even have. Nevermind anyone younger than 35.
     
  4. huskymedic

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    ... and flipping back and forth between games streaming is a hassle.
     
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  5. whaler11

    whaler11 Kickoff: 11:11

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    It's beyond a hassle. At current speeds it can't be done.
     
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    I'm a big streamer and its a pain in the azz. Its like the old days before remote controls. Find your programming and just watch it.
     
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  7. whaler11

    whaler11 Kickoff: 11:11

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    12:35 am for an east coast game that hasn't gone to extra innings yet.

    This is why the EPL and USMNT grows. They get the games in at 2 hours.
     
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  8. whaler11

    whaler11 Kickoff: 11:11

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    4+ hours ending at almost 12:42 AM? Good luck with something besides the cable bundle.
     
  9. Skiblets

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    That game was ridiculous. 7 pitchers for one half inning? I'll take Overcoaching for $500 Alex.
     
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    ...and they play at sane east coast times (or insane, in the case of some EPL morning games :) ). The NFL is seeking better ratings at better TV times, but the game length doesn't fit anymore. Baseball is even worse.
     
  11. djct1999

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    Streaming is great. It allows my wife to watch Grey's anatomy and how to get away with murder, I get to watch hunter Henry and cj Andersen for fantasy, and it counts as spending time together. The only thing not a win there was cj Anderson.
     
  12. Alum86

    Alum86 Did they burn down the ROTC Hangar?

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    I dropped rhe Sunday Ticket from DirecTV and stream out of market games on Kodi off the Amazon Fire Stick. Of course not as good as having the ticket, but money saved.
    Changing between games is in minutes not instantaneous.
     
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  13. IMind

    IMind Wildly Inaccurate

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    The only way I've found that flipping between games while streaming works is to have two devices going. Anything else just sucks beyond belief. Most interfaces are too cumbersome too... And god forbid you're not quite sure what you want to watch. The worst thing about the Roku is just trying to figure out what's on. The content is insane, but Roku has a ton of work to do on their interface. PlayStation Vue on the PlayStation 4 is pretty nice with the guide, etc. but using the controller as a remote annoys me... I have a remote that works on the PS4. I need to spend some time getting the buttons to work correctly. And if I want to watch anything outside of Vue... say Netflix... switching then becomes a pain.

    As far as time goes, Hockey is pretty bad too... 20 minutes between periods? It's just an insane amount of time for absolutely nothing to happen. Baseball can be a pretty fast if theirs a pitching duel... but that's the only time. I thought at the beginning of the year they had managed to speed things up a bit... but that all seemed to go by the wayside. The one thing the NHL seems to have down though, is the review. They've already got the decision usually by the time a team decides to review. Baseball and football are intolerable because of reviews.
     
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  14. CTMike

    CTMike Vanilla Cake > Fish Cake

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    Baseball : 7 inning games, 120 game season, 1 pitching change per inning. Fixed!
     
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  15. The Funster

    The Funster Purveyor of fine bullspit

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    When I was a kid in the early 70s a ball game took about 2 hours. Relievers kill the game. They talk about time between pitches, blah, blah blah. Watch a game where both starters pitch 6 and I'll bet the time is pretty good. Once all the pitching changes start...it drags on and on. Starters are never going to nine innings anymore but they have to find a way to curtail pitching changes. Even allowing one per inning per team would help.
     
  16. UConnTrumbull

    UConnTrumbull Simba Walker on Twitter

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  17. ConnHuskBask

    ConnHuskBask Shut Em Down!

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    It blows my mind they don't have multiple officials watching the games that make the final calls on reviews.

    Coach challenges, umpires/refs off site get 1 minute to review the play and then call it in.

    The NFL review times are particularly dreadful. Guess what if it takes 3 minutes and 100 different angles, it ain't conclusive!
     
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  18. MattMang23

    MattMang23 Contrarian

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    I'll defend hockey here. It's the fastest game on two feet but with a playing surface smaller than any game other than basketball, which means it is constant sprinting and direction-shifting. With lines on the ice for roughly thirty second intervals and teams running only three lines, you're in a constant sprint for thirty seconds, resting one minute, and repeating for twenty minutes, minus the play stoppages which are less time than breaks between downs in football (which, of course, happen constantly).

    As brutally physical and draining as the game is, twenty minutes is completely necessary to recuperate so you're not putting an awful team on the ice in the third period. I could be persuaded that fifteen minutes is fine, but then you run into the issue of whether or not the ice surface can be cleaned efficiently in that time.
     
  19. HuskyHawk

    HuskyHawk I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.

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    The worst are those lefty-righty situational changes. Bringing in a guy to get one out...then another change. Ugh. It's horrible. I barely watch baseball anymore.

    I still love NFL games, but they are too long as well. College basketball is the best bet for me, bringing entertainment value in a roughly two hour time period. NBA games are too long and I don't enjoy the product. Soccer is good if it's a big, critical match like the World Cup or qualifying. Otherwise the fact that those guys pace themselves (unlike Hockey which has those long breaks) means they are barely trying for big parts of the match.
     
  20. IMind

    IMind Wildly Inaccurate

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    They usually have two Zamboni's going in the NHL so resurfacing isn't really an issue... and I give you that hockey is insanely physically... both my kids play . I spend about 20 hours a week in a rink. *laugh* USA Hockey says junior players only need 15 minutes. basically though at every level of hockey below junior, minor hockey kids get about 3-5 minutes between periods. I love hockey and love being at a rink, but can't stand going to NHL games because of the 40 minutes of dead time. I understand the recovery argument... but I really don't know how true that is... do you really get that revitalized? I mean if a sports scientist came out and said that it would then I guess... Intermissions used to be 15 minutes before TV.

    That being said going down to 15 minutes only takes 10 minutes out of the game. Maybe if they did what soccer does and cut out commercials during the periods I wouldn't mind so much.
     
  21. MattMang23

    MattMang23 Contrarian

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    Yup. I remember those days. Wouldn't have traded that time for anything. Of course I was the one playing and not standing in a cold building watching people play.

    I always felt like I did. It takes probably a good ten minutes to get your body back to normal heart rate and feel ready to go back at it again. But I also stopped playing at 18. Not sure what the effect on the body is as an adult?

    Cutting out the commericals would be ideal since there really are no assigned possession changes and the like and the puck rarely goes out of play. There really isn't a good time to take commerical breaks.

    Hockey is just a bad TV product as it is. Greatest live game, worst TV game. I don't know that there is a real good fix for it.
     
  22. ConnHuskBask

    ConnHuskBask Shut Em Down!

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    @HuskyHawk Definitely agree with your college hoops take. Two 20 minute halfs and almost always around 2 hours.

    I'm a big baseball guy but unless it's Yankees playoffs, I usually have it on in the background and I'm doing something else until big spots or late innings.
     
  23. Husky25

    Husky25 Dink & Dunk beat the Greatest Show on Turf.

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    Honestly, unless leagues institute Rugby 7s type amendments to their rules, I'm pretty much done watching games that don't include my favorite teams for about the next decade. Incidentally, Rugby 7s is terribly entertaining.

    Football:
    • 7 on 7
    • 15 minute running halves
    • 15 second play clock
    • No huddles
    • Free substitution/no more Too many Men if the player is clearly not involved in the play.

    Basketball
    • 3 on 3 (okay, 5 on 5 can stay)
    • 12 minute running halves.
    • Fouls are not called based on star power.
    • Traveling is called in the NBA
    • Constitutional Amendment stating that Zone is for sissies (exact wording) and outlawed on all levels.

    Hockey
    Honestly, hockey is quite entertaining as it is and games are still under 2 hours. I would still only watch the Bruins.

    Baseball (This one is tough).
    • 15 second pitch clock.
    • Strike zone strictly enforced.
    • Batter is not allowed outside the batters box for any reason.
    • Only the catcher and first basemen are allowed to wear cups and only on defense (no cup, no junk pinching, less adjustments).
    • Catcher conferences count as mound visits.
    • Unless they are ejected or hurt, or they get the 3rd out of the inning, relief pitchers must face at least two full batters. If he gets those two out, he must pitch to a third. No more lefty specialists. You're a professional and making $5Mil/year for Pete's sake. Learn to throw down and in to a righty.
    • Two warm up tosses for relievers. You just got done throwing the ball for 10 minutes and spent the last 5 just standing there. You're warm. Two tosses to get used to the mound. Done.
    International Soccer
    • Play to win. Retreating the ball all the way to your own keeper inside the box is an penalty kick from the dot.
    • Going down like you have a broken leg, and standing up 20 seconds later is a 5 minute power play for the other team.
     
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  24. Pat125

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    My suggestions.

    Football

    1. Start the game clock 10 seconds after an incomplete pass or out of bounds, even under 2 minutes to go.
    2. No two minute warning.
    3. Must wait at least one minute of game time between time outs.
    4. Broadcasting network must pay fine of $1 million each time camera is panned on Rex Ryan, Bill Belichek, Odell Beckham, Jr., among others.

    Basketball

    1. Must wait at least one minute of game time between time outs.
    2. When there is less than two minutes left, the team that is fouled has the option of having ten seconds taken off the clock.
    3. Fouls need to be called on merit, and not depend on star status.
    4. Go back to calling the team from Ohio the "Cleveland Cavaliers," not "LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers."

    Hockey

    Not too many complaints here. Yes, 20 minutes between periods can be a pain, but it seems that too many times, 20 minutes can go by between plays in baseball and football. Flopping/embellishment is an issue, of course, and will be addressed in soccer.

    Baseball

    1. No more than one pitching change in the middle of the inning.
    2. No more than one conference between pitcher and catcher per inning.
    3. If the catcher has to move his mitt to try to convince the umpire the pitch is a strike, it's an automatic ball.
    4. Any team for any game has the option of having the DH.

    Soccer

    1. Significantly reduce the gross corruption and favortism in and around the game.
    2. To reduce flopping, no foul should be called unless ref actually sees a foul.
    3. If a player somehow gets hurt via incidental or no contact, player must submit to a protocol similar to concussions, which would have to include missing competitions for whatever appropriate time is needed to completely eliminate any strategic advantage of flopping. This rule can apply to all sports.
     
  25. UCFBfan

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    All the darn commercial breaks don't help either. I swear that CBS is the worst with this. It's just as bad when UConn plays on CBSSports Network. That game on Thursday had a sequence that went something like:

    1. Team kicks field goal
    2. Commercial
    3. Team kicks off
    4. Commercial
    5. Team comes on field for one play. Injury happens
    6. Commercial
    7. Team runs one more play. Quarter ends
    8. Commercial

    It was insane. I mean seriously, you couldn't see that the clock was running down and after the injury just stay on the game for one more play? It was insane.

    Thank god for RedZone and their no commercials policy. It makes watching football more tolerable, especially since I only care about the majority of those games for fantasy purposes.
     
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  26. whaler11

    whaler11 Kickoff: 11:11

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    5-1 baseball game took 4 hours and 4 minutes tonight. Again how does the sports television economy survive without the cable bundle?

    If the Cubs weren't playing they would end up 10% off all the time WS lows.
     
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    whaler11 Kickoff: 11:11

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    You can fix every problem with college basketball in one rule change.

    The double bonus is one free throw and the ball.

    So long endless end game. That would get 90+% of the games that end without overtime finished within 2:10.


    The way to fix baseball would never happen but all you have to do is reduce the rosters from 25 to 23. That eliminates 12 man bullpens and that eliminates 3 pitching changes a game. It also forces teams to field a roster of players who can both run and play defense - which are all more entertaining than DHs trying to not hit into the shift.
     
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  28. jrazz12

    jrazz12 Get B1G

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    Was going to make the same comment about soccer when I read your OP. I think that's why you're seeing it become more popular here as other sports drag on and on longer. That will always be 46 on, bathroom break/kitchen run, and another 48.

    Weren't you saying somewhere the other day about NFL ratings being down not necessarily by the amount of viewers but because of the amount of time spent watching? That it looked like people were giving up on the games?
     
  29. Husky25

    Husky25 Dink & Dunk beat the Greatest Show on Turf.

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    Non-Sunday NFL and Non-Saturday NCAA is down. I thought I read that normal days and times are either even are slightly ahead. Beyond that, you'll see the NFL ratings decrease the more those in the Commissioner's office keep sitting on their collective d!<ks.
     
  30. whaler11

    whaler11 Kickoff: 11:11

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    As of a couple of weeks ago that was what the NFL data showed. Unique viewers up, average length of viewing down. Since the ratings are a measure of average viewers it's down net.