OT: Oklahoma State and its cheatin' heart

[upstater]

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-state-fo...es-in-cowboys-program/article/3880554/?page=2

Apparently, besides the other allegations of sex, drugs and bogus grades/classes, the big bombshell is Les Miles and pay-for-play.

It's bizarre. Seems everyone was just make APR scores up.

 

[Vowelguy]

It's bizarre. Seems everyone was just make APR scores up.

Further proof of why UConn isnt a FB power.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

The punchline...will all those allegations ESPIN says no major violations expected. Paying players, fixing grades, and pimping....no major violations expected. So basically the P5 schools can do anything except maybe murder...maybe.

 

[huskymedic]

The punchline...will all those allegations ESPIN says no major violations expected. Paying players, fixing grades, and pimping....no major violations expected. So basically the P5 schools can do anything except maybe murder...maybe.

"OSU has been told that 85 percent of the allegations concern events between 2001 and 2007. The statute of limitations on NCAA violations is four years."

I'd like to know how long SI had the intel before they spent a year investigating it??

 

[MilliniumPrince]

"OSU has been told that 85 percent of the allegations concern events between 2001 and 2007. The statute of limitations on NCAA violations is four years."

I'd like to know how long SI had the intel before they spent a year investigating it??

Good question.

 

[upstater]

"OSU has been told that 85 percent of the allegations concern events between 2001 and 2007. The statute of limitations on NCAA violations is four years."

I'd like to know how long SI had the intel before they spent a year investigating it??

But the statue of limitations on APR scores is a lot longer than 4 years.

That's interesting, isn't it?

You get punished for APR scores from more than 4 years ago.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Oh, Oh! Watch it or UConn hoops will lose 2 more scholarships and be banned from post season tourney's. The OSU stuff is pretty serious, so UConn better watch out because somebody has to pay.

 

[intlzncster]

Here's a better link. Looks like it will be released piecemeal on SI.com this week:

http://insidesportsillustrated.com/...t-to-launch-tuesday-september-10-at-9-a-m-et/

UConn fans may denigrate this, but if you want to be a big time in college football, this is the sort of thing you need to do. Having gone to school in the SEC, this seems to be what the good programs do there. The bad ones just do less of it. None of the findings seemed exceptional for the average big time CF program . Honestly, $500 per game for star players sounds pretty light to me.

Legit big time college football programs don't exist; some simply have better PR (or less scrutiny) than others.

The question in my mind is, would UConn fans mind going down this road (at least partly) to get in the game? Or would they prefer to be middling, or at best average, for the life of the program?

 

[noeynox]

Wow, I hope we can post links to the articles in this thread. Interesting. I thought it all happened under Miles, but it appears Mike (I'm a man!) Gundy.

 

[freescooter]

OSU might get dinged by the NCAA for some of this. OU or Texas wouldn't but OSU isn't royalty.

 

[huskymedic]

Interesting perspective/analysis on Part 1 by Tramel (turdball)

http://newsok.com/article/3881312/?no_cache=1&no_edit=1&show_all=1

Edit add: T Boone's $500m response: https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/65...d-statement-sept-10-2013-pdf-324k?da=y&dnad=y
(notice the glaring omission?)

 

[huskymedic]

Interesting perspective/analysis on Part 1 by Tramel (turdball)

http://newsok.com/article/3881312/?no_cache=1&no_edit=1&show_all=1

Edit add: T Boone's $500m response: https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/65...d-statement-sept-10-2013-pdf-324k?da=y&dnad=y
(notice the glaring omission?)

Tramel's views on Part 2.

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-state-football-analyzing-each-academic-allegation/article/3881627

 

[huskymedic]

Okay then... LMAO (Not safe for work due to language)

http://kieransteckley.com/exclusive-artrell-woods-interview/

 

[Jax Husky]

ESPN is now reporting multiple instances where the former OSU players' credibility is garbage. This is just an angry ex-player trying to get back at people from 10 years ago. Total hack job on SI's part (shocking, I know).


Now, the story about 5 SEC players getting paid has some legs. Yahoo! does their homework. They have text messages, bank statements, paper trails, etc showing that Alabama, MSU, and Tenn players were getting paid by agents. Will be interesting to see how the NCAA treats Alabama on that one (the player involved is 1st Rd pick DJ Fluker).

 

[sportsart]

ESPN is now reporting multiple instances where the former OSU players' credibility is garbage. This is just an angry ex-player trying to get back at people from 10 years ago. Total hack job on SI's part (shocking, I know).

ESPN is reporting that Miles is saying it's angry ex players....does not make it the truth either. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

[Jax Husky]

ESPN is reporting that Miles is saying it's angry ex players....does not make it the truth either. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

ESPN is reporting factual inconsistencies with statements made by those players (i.e. players says "I was in this class" and they weren't. Player says "I have 2 degrees", but he never graduated). To me, that calls into question all the other bullshit. I agree on your point of where there is smoke....but I think it is &^ journalism to be taking shots at the coach that was there 9 years ago instead of the coaching staff that this is most applicable to. Again, hack job.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ndermine-some-oklahoma-state-cowboys-accusers

In Tuesday's SI report, Carter said he graduated from OSU with a degree in education. George Dorhmann, one of two SI reporters who reported the stories, also said on The Doug Gottlieb Show Tuesday that "Fait' (Carter) has two degrees from Oklahoma State, spoke on the record, recorded. I have no reason to believe he lied. And he's certainly not disgruntled."

Carter didn't have two degrees. Carter attended OSU from 2000-05 but never graduated at all from the school, according to the university's registrar office.

Carter also told SI that he and Bell were in the same classes and got A's and then had the same instructor again in 2004 but both got , Carter said.

"I'd guess that there was pressure (on the instructor) to give us those A's when we were playing, but not when we weren't," Carter told SI.

However, Bell wasn't at Oklahoma State in 2004. He withdrew from school after the 2003 fall semester, according to his OSU transcript that he provided to ESPN.

As usual, SI did not verify their sources. Just ran with what some liar said about the OSU program.

 

[intlzncster]

ESPN is reporting that Miles is saying it's angry ex players....does not make it the truth either. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Also, in case you missed the other thread, here's Whitlock's response to the articles. I thought it was interesting:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/Jason_Whitlock_slams_SI_writer_Thayer_Evans/11-22173

… Let me end by saying this and I honestly mean this without malice. It wouldn’t shock me if Thayer Evans couldn’t spell cat and I say in all seriousness.”

Facial.

 

[huskymedic]

Also, in case you missed the other thread, here's Whitlock's response to the articles. I thought it was interesting:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/Jason_Whitlock_slams_SI_writer_Thayer_Evans/11-22173

… Let me end by saying this and I honestly mean this without malice. It wouldn’t shock me if Thayer Evans couldn’t spell cat and I say in all seriousness.”

Facial.

And the ESPN slap for showboating. http://thebiglead.com/2013/09/12/es...ments-about-sports-illustrateds-thayer-evans/

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Speaking of acting more SEC like, any word on when Joe Williams is gonna be reinstated. Not that the RB position could use a decent back up or anything like that.

 

[traitor71]

Some day people will learn not to jump the gun and call for the destruction of programs immediately following one of these stories. Questionable sources, sketchy evidence and guys with an axe to grind making accusations that often can't be proven. This story just seems like an attempt by SI to keep pace with Yahoo.

 

[upstater]

ESPN is reporting factual inconsistencies with statements made by those players (i.e. players says "I was in this class" and they weren't. Player says "I have 2 degrees", but he never graduated). To me, that calls into question all the other bull . I agree on your point of where there is smoke....but I think it is &^ journalism to be taking shots at the coach that was there 9 years ago instead of the coaching staff that this is most applicable to. Again, hack job.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ndermine-some-oklahoma-state-cowboys-accusers

As usual, SI did not verify their sources. Just ran with what some liar said about the OSU program.

When it came to UConn, neither Yahoo or the New York Times verified anything. There were a ton of falsehoods, but I note: it didn't stop the NCAA from looking into matters. At the end of the day, the number of phone calls made by UConn were minimal. The info about Nochimson paying for a surgery also came from the physician, which violated Miles's privacy. It was a clear violation of NCAA rules, but now the NCAA eliminates any evidence gained by violating confidentiality. At the end of the day, most of the info in those articles was false.

 

[intlzncster]

Some day people will learn not to jump the gun and call for the destruction of programs immediately following one of these stories. Questionable sources, sketchy evidence and guys with an axe to grind making accusations that often can't be proven. This story just seems like an attempt by SI to keep pace with Yahoo.

Tough to do.

 

[huskymedic]

Tramel's views on Part 2.

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-state-football-analyzing-each-academic-allegation/article/3881627[/quote]

Tramel's view on Part 3

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-state-fo...illustrateds-drug-accusations/article/3882028

or stop recruiting potheads/dumba$$es:
http://newsok.com/osu-needs-to-recr...es-in-place-to-deal-with-them/article/3882101

 

[sportsart]

There's a reason why virtually every major program has been caught cheating. It's because they cheat. If you think this story is completely false, you're kidding yourself.

There may be an axe to grind by the players and they may be stretching the truth but....OK St cheated in some form in the past and they got caught. There is no way SI orchestrated this story and some of it has to be true. How true we may never know.

 

[StoweD210]

Is the 4 year statute of limitations by the NCAA something new? I never heard of that before and, from what I remember, Michigan basketball was punished about a decade after Chris Webber (and others) accepted money from a booster.

It's cynical, but it seems like one of those explanations the NCAA comes up with when they don't want to go after a program.