Mahomes

[superjohn]

This guy is decently good at football.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Potential to be one heck of a QB class depending on how Trubisky develops and whether the Texans can put some semblance of an O-line in front of Watson to keep him from getting decapitated.

 

[tcf15]

And a case of what could've been for the Giants

 

[superjohn]

And a case of what could've been for the Giants

Don't worry, this board has convinced me Eli is still great.

 

[UC313]

As a Chiefs fan, im excited. Stupid excited. Kids got “it”. That game was fun.

 

[Adios]

Talent level at QB sure has evolved. Must be at an all-time high.

 

[Scoe]

And a case of what could've been for the Giants

Tank for Tua in 2020 it ok the Giants will draft another WR or RB in the 1st round.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Kid is a bum.

My citizenship in Raider Nation won't allow me to say nice things about him.

 

[champs99and04]

Talent level at QB sure has evolved. Must be at an all-time high.

Most of these guys suck. Anyone can play in today's game with the gimmick offenses and the head trauma specialists marching outside the stadiums.

Mahomes is fun to watch, though, I'll give him that.

 

[tcf15]

Don't worry, this board has convinced me Eli is still great.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Most of these guys suck. Anyone can play in today's game with the gimmick offenses and the head trauma specialists marching outside the stadiums.

Mahomes is fun to watch, though, I'll give him that.

Hot take alert. The boneyard is fun for gems like that one every once in a while.

 

[Waquoit]

Just a reminder, John Dorsey drafted Mahomes. I think that's why Reid had him fired. He didn't want to share credit.

 

[champs99and04]

Hot take alert. The boneyard is fun for gems like that one every once in a while.

Must just be a coincidence then that points and total yards go up every year.

 

[jdb50]

Maybe the Giants draft Mckenzie Milton if he leaves early? Bills, Browns. and Cards won't need a QB. Eli should retire or be released after this year.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Must just be a coincidence then that points and total yards go up every year.

Can anyone play baseball now because scoring has gone up since the dead ball era? The idea that rule changes in the NFL have somehow made it easier for QBs without talent to succeed is.... an opinion.

 

[champs99and04]

Can anyone play baseball now because scoring has gone up since the dead ball era? The idea that rule changes in the NFL have somehow made it easier for QBs without talent to succeed is.... an opinion.

It's made it easier for QBs without talent to put up numbers.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

It's made it easier for QBs without talent to put up numbers.

We’re like two posts away from you shaking your fist and yelling at some neighborhood kids to get off your lawn.

 

[champs99and04]

We’re like two posts away from you shaking your fist and yelling at some neighborhood kids to get off your lawn.

We're talking about changes that have mostly occurred within the last decade or so.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

We're talking about changes that have mostly occurred within the last decade or so.

I’m aware but it just reeks of an old man take on the situation. The idea that rules somehow lessen the talent gap between more and less talented players is just a bad take based in a lot of “back in my day”.

 

[Walker11]

We're talking about changes that have mostly occurred within the last decade or so.

Points are on the uptick in September but lets see the average as we get into the winter weather part of the season. Average points per game was the lowest last year that it has been since 2009. Teams are moving the ball differently, not really scoring differently. Average scoring was higher in 1948 than it was last year. And I think the slight uptick of 1.5 ppg since the early 90s has more to do with enforcing penalties on defensive backs and not head trauma specialists marching outside. What a bad take. This contrarian schtick doesn't suit you.

 

[champs99and04]

I’m aware but it just reeks of an old man take on the situation. The idea that rules somehow lessen the talent gap between more and less talented players is just a bad take based in a lot of “back in my day”.

Not sure it lessens the talent gap so much as it forces us to grade more on a curve. When you watch Mahomes you can tell he has rare talent. Other guys you're less sure.

 

[champs99and04]

Points are on the uptick in September but lets see the average as we get into the winter weather part of the season. Average points per game was the lowest last year that it has been since 2009. Teams are moving the ball differently, not really scoring differently. Average scoring was higher in 1948 than it was last year. And I think the slight uptick of 1.5 ppg since the early 90s has more to do with enforcing penalties on defensive backs and not head trauma specialists marching outside. What a bad take. This contrarian schtick doesn't suit you.

You're correct about much of that. However, the changes to the game should force us to be more cynical about quarterbacks in particular. Everything's about getting the ball out faster, using the middle of the field more, taking what the defense gives you, etc. Essentially, replicating New England's model. That's led to far higher completion percentages, passer ratings, and more passing attempts. Perhaps more importantly, interceptions are way down. That makes for a game where qb's have far greater margin for error than they used to.

 

[Adios]

You're correct about much of that. However, the changes to the game should force us to be more cynical about quarterbacks in particular. Everything's about getting the ball out faster, using the middle of the field more, taking what the defense gives you, etc. Essentially, replicating New England's model. That's led to far higher completion percentages, passer ratings, and more passing attempts. Perhaps more importantly, interceptions are way down. That makes for a game where qb's have far greater margin for error than they used to.

I understand not every QB is Daryle Lamonica but even if it's tweaks in design, most NFL teams can say right now that they are alright at QB. It still takes talent to execute successfully in the NFL. As proven by a bunch of excellent college players who still fail to succeed in the NFL. Paxton Lynch of Denver is the latest example.

 

[noeynox]

Can anyone play baseball now because scoring has gone up since the dead ball era? The idea that rule changes in the NFL have somehow made it easier for QBs without talent to succeed is.... an opinion.

Yes, but a big part of the game used to be hammer young QBs to see if you could rattle them. You would see talented throwers get skittish. You can't hit QBs like that anymore.

 

[HuskyHawk]

You're correct about much of that. However, the changes to the game should force us to be more cynical about quarterbacks in particular. Everything's about getting the ball out faster, using the middle of the field more, taking what the defense gives you, etc. Essentially, replicating New England's model. That's led to far higher completion percentages, passer ratings, and more passing attempts. Perhaps more importantly, interceptions are way down. That makes for a game where qb's have far greater margin for error than they used to.

It pains me to say that you're not wrong here. I disagree that the talent level isn't unusually high, I think it is. Bad QBs still fail in this league. Paxton Lynch, Osweiller. The fact that we are now seeing black QBs on a regular basis is reason enough for the talent pool to have increased. And that's a recent phenomena as well. Time was that Doug Williams, Cunningham and Moon were rare occurrences.

But the rule changes to protect the QB and protect receivers have clearly lead to a league where passing numbers of today can't be compared to those of the past. I don't think it's really New England's offensive system, there are a range of systems out there, but every single team is a pass first team. That is what has changed.