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Like who we got but really thought he should have been a Husky.
 
I think he's going to be an excellent NBA player. T-Wolves are putting together a really, really nice nucleus with Dunn, Wiggins, Levine, and KAT. Even with Thomas, the C's made a mistake passing on Dunn.
 
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BUHusky10 said:
Celtics blew it
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He grades out really poor on some predraft metrics, for what they're worth. Interesting point:

More condemning is this: In the stats-only portion of Pelton's model, Brown ranks an impossibly low 101st among all draft-eligible prospects with a WARP (wins above replacement player) of minus-0.5. For the sake of comparison, Bender ranks second in that model with a WARP of plus-3.4.

Take a stroll through the archive of draft WARP projections and that mark gets even more worrisome. While a decent number of players have been taken in the first-round teens and 20s with a negative WARP, only two players have been selected in the top 10 with a negative WARP since 2006 -- Austin Rivers (minus-0.1) at No. 10 in 2012 and Joe Alexander (minus-0.1) at No. 8 in 2008. [EDITORS NOTE: both suck]

Brown scored alarmingly low in Nylon Calculus' projection model. Author Andrew Johnson noted, "Brown leads the 'Do Not Want' list, his overall play all year indicated less than a starter performance at the college level. In my training model, not a single player went from this level of play in their draft year to become a star in the NBA."

Not the model choice: Would Celtics roll dice with Jaylen Brown?

Buuuuut....he was the captain of his middle-school chess team!
 
Dunn, Lavine, Wiggins and Towns is going to be a lot of fun to watch. Dieng isn't bad either.
 
intlzncster said:
He grades out really poor on some predraft metrics, for what they're worth. Interesting point:

More condemning is this: In the stats-only portion of Pelton's model, Brown ranks an impossibly low 101st among all draft-eligible prospects with a WARP (wins above replacement player) of minus-0.5. For the sake of comparison, Bender ranks second in that model with a WARP of plus-3.4.

Take a stroll through the archive of draft WARP projections and that mark gets even more worrisome. While a decent number of players have been taken in the first-round teens and 20s with a negative WARP, only two players have been selected in the top 10 with a negative WARP since 2006 -- Austin Rivers (minus-0.1) at No. 10 in 2012 and Joe Alexander (minus-0.1) at No. 8 in 2008. [EDITORS NOTE: both suck]

Brown scored alarmingly low in Nylon Calculus' projection model. Author Andrew Johnson noted, "Brown leads the 'Do Not Want' list, his overall play all year indicated less than a starter performance at the college level. In my training model, not a single player went from this level of play in their draft year to become a star in the NBA."

Not the model choice: Would Celtics roll dice with Jaylen Brown?

Buuuuut....he was the captain of his middle-school chess team!
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He seemed like a reach at 3.
 
There have been some sort of head scratching selections. I have to admit I don't know much about most of the international guys other than Dragan, but Papagiannis?
 
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Ainge is terrible. I said it, Celtics fans have their heads so far up his A for so long. He amassed all these "assets" sits on them until they become less valuable than anticipated, then doesn't make any moves (Noel/Covington and Butler were both proposed) instead to take Jaylen Brown and his 29% shooting from the field.

In the last 8 first round picks Ainge has taken: MarShon Brooks Jared Sullinger Fab Melo Kelly Olynyk Marcus Smart James Young Terry Rozier R.J. Hunter.
Awful.
 
80shusky said:
There have been some sort of head scratching selections. I have to admit I don't know much about most of the international guys other than Dragan, but Papagiannis?
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Papagiannis seems like a huge reach, we were looking at him a year or so ago.
 
superjohn said:
Papagiannis seems like a huge reach, we were looking at him a year or so ago.
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Yea, what little I know about him is that he really wasn't all that good. However, I am not an NBA GM so I have to assume they know more than I do about this.
 
80shusky said:
Yea, what little I know about him is that he really wasn't all that good. However, I am not an NBA GM so I have to assume they know more than I do about this.
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He looked incredibly slow.
 
The Celtics did blow it with their 3rd pick. That was just so dumb.
 
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BUHusky10 said:
Ainge is terrible. I said it, Celtics fans have their heads so far up his A for so long. He amassed all these "assets" sits on them until they become less valuable than anticipated, then doesn't make any moves (Noel/Covington and Butler were both proposed) instead to take Jaylen Brown and his 29% shooting from the field.

In the last 8 first round picks Ainge has taken: MarShon Brooks Jared Sullinger Fab Melo Kelly Olynyk Marcus Smart James Young Terry Rozier R.J. Hunter.
Awful.
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Phil Jackson seems to know what's doing.
 
BUHusky10 said:
Ainge is terrible. I said it, Celtics fans have their heads so far up his A for so long. He amassed all these "assets" sits on them until they become less valuable than anticipated, then doesn't make any moves (Noel/Covington and Butler were both proposed) instead to take Jaylen Brown and his 29% shooting from the field.

In the last 8 first round picks Ainge has taken: MarShon Brooks Jared Sullinger Fab Melo Kelly Olynyk Marcus Smart James Young Terry Rozier R.J. Hunter.
Awful.
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You sound exactly like Mike Felger lol.
 
Thank God Ainge drafted those two euro bigs. Add in Olynyk and Sullinger and you have an NBA front court that embodies toughness, LOL.
 
BUHusky10 said:
Ainge is terrible. I said it, Celtics fans have their heads so far up his A for so long. He amassed all these "assets" sits on them until they become less valuable than anticipated, then doesn't make any moves (Noel/Covington and Butler were both proposed) instead to take Jaylen Brown and his 29% shooting from the field.

In the last 8 first round picks Ainge has taken: MarShon Brooks Jared Sullinger Fab Melo Kelly Olynyk Marcus Smart James Young Terry Rozier R.J. Hunter.
Awful.
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Only one of those was a lottery pick. The rest were all mid to late first rounders.

Jae Crowder and Isaiah Thomas were incredible trade acquisitions. The Nets trade was arguably the biggest fleecing of all time.

He got a first round talent last night in Demetrius Jackson at 45. Zizic is a great offensive big man, and Yabulese gets Draymond comps. Brown has a high ceiling and the Celtics have a great coach in Stevens. Not all of these guys will pan out, but I don't see how you could hate their draft at all.
 
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The C's won 48 games with one of the youngest teams in the NBA and they have stockpiled draft picks, their future looks great

and people are bashing the man who set this up

priceless
 
in the meantime, the "experts" love the job Jackson is doing with the Knicks

he retained Melo :confused: and obtained Rose who was really good 4 years ago but no longer wanted by his team

awesome baby

which begs the question, how do experts become experts?
 
BUHusky10 said:
Ainge is terrible. I said it, Celtics fans have their heads so far up his A for so long. He amassed all these "assets" sits on them until they become less valuable than anticipated, then doesn't make any moves (Noel/Covington and Butler were both proposed) instead to take Jaylen Brown and his 29% shooting from the field.

In the last 8 first round picks Ainge has taken: MarShon Brooks Jared Sullinger Fab Melo Kelly Olynyk Marcus Smart James Young Terry Rozier R.J. Hunter.
Awful.
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Brooks was taken for the Nets. Sully was a quality pick. As was KO. You don't find a lot of superstars where they were picked. Smart was fine at #6 in a bad draft. Melo was a terrible pick. Young stinks. Jury's still out on Rozier and Hunter but I didn't like Rozier. And I didn't like this draft. But saying "Ainge is terrible" is pretty indefensible if you're limiting it to the draft and laughable if you aren't.

He's basically had 2 lottery picks, #6 in a crap draft and #3 in a 2-deep draft.

He sure did win a title then dismantle the team and amass a lot of assets without the benefit of luck or FA signings. Like I said, I haven't been happy with the drafting but easy with the hot takes about how terrible a GM he is. I bet you couldn't find 3 GMs that would agree.
 
nomar said:
Brooks was taken for the Nets. Sully was a quality pick. As was KO. You don't find a lot of superstars where they were picked. Smart was fine at #6 in a bad draft. Melo was a terrible pick. Young stinks. Jury's still out on Rozier and Hunter but I didn't like Rozier. And I didn't like this draft. But saying "Ainge is terrible" is pretty indefensible if you're limiting it to the draft and laughable if you aren't.

He's basically had 2 lottery picks, #6 in a crap draft and #3 in a 2-deep draft.

He sure did win a title then dismantle the team and amass a lot of assets without the benefit of luck or FA signings. Like I said, I haven't been happy with the drafting but easy with the hot takes about how terrible a GM he is. I bet you couldn't find 3 GMs that would agree.
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The use of the descriptor terrible was in the heat of the moment post draft, at the time I was disappointed they didn't take Dunn. I felt like Brown was too raw to make an impact in the foreseeable future and thought he was too similar to the Marcus Smart pick two seasons prior.

Relative to the 30 teams in the league, Ainge is definitely not terrible, but I certainly think he's overrated by the general populace and especially Celtics fans who think he's a top 3 GM. His ability to sell high on assets is commendable, like he did with the Big 3 and Rondo. Yet he falls short in the area of drafting and making trades happen. Since the Big 3 era, we have really only brought in 2 valuable free agents who are upper mid tier relative to the entire league in Thomas and Crowder. I think he's prone to over-valuing the assets he has which result in him letting good opportunities for trades pass by, but that's just my hot take.
 
BUHusky10 said:
The use of the descriptor terrible was in the heat of the moment post draft, at the time I was disappointed they didn't take Dunn. I felt like Brown was too raw to make an impact in the foreseeable future and thought he was too similar to the Marcus Smart pick two seasons prior.

Relative to the 30 teams in the league, Ainge is definitely not terrible, but I certainly think he's overrated by the general populace and especially Celtics fans who think he's a top 3 GM. His ability to sell high on assets is commendable, like he did with the Big 3 and Rondo. Yet he falls short in the area of drafting and making trades happen. Since the Big 3 era, we have really only brought in 2 valuable free agents who are upper mid tier relative to the entire league in Thomas and Crowder. I think he's prone to over-valuing the assets he has which result in him letting good opportunities for trades pass by, but that's just my hot take.
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Fair enough. I think everyone can agree he's still riding on the Allen/Garnett trades, the title, and the Nets trade.

He hasn't drafted well recently. But, I think his post-title grade is still incomplete. Considering he had to dismantle an aging team, the team looks pretty good right now. Could be better, but could be a LOT worse.
 
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