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Message: [QUOTE="Alydar, post: 2879383, member: 730"] I see valid arguments on both sides but since most on this thread are favoring the rights of a group who are at an athletic disadvantage to compete among themselves and I would suggest: 1. A pro league for men under 6', who have been virtually excluded from being allowed to compete. 2. A pro league for people who have a vertical leap of less than 6 inches. Don't they have a right to compete among others of the same limitation? I could go on but the point is that I don't ever remember ever hearing about a "right" to be allowed to compete athletically among equals. Besides, no one is disallowing females the right to compete. What people are complaining about is the reduced opportunity for females to win. Athletics is by definition discriminatory. It's an elitist paradigm and as so is diametrically opposed to much of what the women's rights movement is in favor of, an egalitarian society where gender is never used to deny anyone the right to participate in any activity. Boys and girls compete successfully up to the age of about 12-14. It's only then, as puberty begins, that separate athletic programs kick in. But it's also when males who grow tall have an advantage against short and less coordinated males. And yet no special leagues are created for those males, who, despite their small size could still compete successfully against opponents of similar or lesser skill levels and physicality. [/QUOTE]