OT: Deflategate Scientists Unlock Their Lab

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  1. boba

    boba Somewhere around Barstow

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    If you are capable of that task, the guys in Stockholm have a prize waiting for you. You will have accomplished something that hitherto fore has never been done.
    As an educator you should know your audience, what they can do and what they cannot do. While the denizens of the boneyard have aerial fecal motion down to a fine art, "learning" is not something they are capable of doing.
     
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  2. Letsgohuskies11

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  3. sledog

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    The science is: PV/T = constant

    The issue is political / power.

    A touch of flatulence wouldn't hurt.
     
  4. willie99

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    Tom Brady was guilty of Roger Goodell having unmitigated authority to do what he wants when he wants, nothing more. There are so many holes in the NFL's case it's silly people can still believe anything Roger says.

    The players gave Roger authority to be prosecutor, judge, jury and executor, that's the only thing that convicted TB. Not facts, not evidence, not law, not consistency, not reasoning, just unchecked authority.

    I guarantee one thing, the next CBA won't be so kind to the commissioner, and the owners will concede that issue without a fight.
     
  5. Deepster

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    Face it. Brady knew he was guilty, he knew he didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of this getting overturned and he gave up his paper thin appeal. The 4 games is over. He comes back Sunday, the Pats are 3-1. Justice served all around.
     
  6. upstater

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    How do you get through life denying science?

    Or facts?

    Or even the plain absolute truth that the NFL was caught lying.
     
  7. Deepster

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    Hey. You choose "science and facts" that make your side of the argument. That's cool. The end of the story is, Brady knew he didn't have a chance, knew he was sunk, pulled back his appeal and here we are 4 weeks later. Justice served and the Pats are just fine at 3-1. Everybody wins.
     
  8. upstater

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    Science and Laws is not an argument. You're confused. They are called laws for a reason. They are incontrovertible. They are immutable. They don't have bias.

    What does have bias is the clear instances of lying.

    Here are just 3 of the many many many lies:

    1. Exponent used a starting temp of 67 degrees for their analysis with one gauge, and 71 with the other. That's not an argument. That's a fact. Only by doing this could they make claims about the transients being out of whack. If they used the same starting temperature, the Ideal Gas Law predicts the Patriots balls would end up where they ended up.

    2. The NFL told Chris Mortensen the Patriots balls were tested and that they were at 10.1 while the Colts balls were all over 12.5. The Wells report showed that the Patriots balls were at 11.4 and the only 3 Colts balls tested were all below 12.5.

    3. Goodell claimed in his punishment that when Brady was questioned about his conversation with the equipment manager after it all went down, he denied ever discussing the deflated balls. But when the federal judge released the transcripts of the Brady interviews taken by Wells, something the NFL did not expect them to do, it was shown that Brady told them repeatedly that he discussed the deflated balls with the equipment manager. A total lie meant to set-up Brady.

    These are just facts. They are not open to interpretation.
     
  9. kibblesnbits

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    Knowing he couldn't win an appeal and knowing he was guilty are two different things. He could only legally appeal the process, not the facts. The facts show he was not guilty. I've seen scientists for hire like Exponent in court. You can get them to come up with a supporting "expert report" for damn near any theory as long as it results in a 7 figure check.
     
  10. Deepster

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    That's all fine and dandy....but not nearly enough evidence to turn over a guilty decision. And you know that.
     
  11. upstater

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    You know very little about this subject. You appear to not even be aware of the fact that the arbitrator was the liar himself. So you expected the arbitrator to overturn his own decision because he was lying? That's screwy even for you.

    I will quote what the federal judge said about the particulars of the case (and not about the fact that Goodell had a right to lie and do whatever he wanted): "There is no evidence the balls were deflated." The NFL's chief lawyer Jeff Pash agreed.
     
  12. Deepster

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    Agree to disagree, friend. We could sit here all day with this "he said, she said" nonsense. Enjoy getting Brady back this week after his well-deserved vacation.
     
  13. Husky25

    Husky25 Dink & Dunk beat the Greatest Show on Turf.

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    There is no "agree to disagree." You are as wrong as Ron Burgundy translating San Diego.

    With that said, Deflate-____ is over (and this is likely my last response on the issue too. It's become an exhibit of insanity and I, for one, am tired of getting blue in the face.).

    Brady accepted the punishment because the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals en banc declined to hear yet another appeal. Even if they did, they were never going to hear any additional evidence. After Goodell upheld his own ruling, appeals became about the process and the CBA, not the evidence. Had Brady appealed to the Supreme Court, he was at the whim of their acceptance/declination to hear the case, vis a vie which games he missed. If Brady was going to miss games, he was going to decide which ones, and the 1st 4 games of this season are significantly less important than, for instance, a playoff game.
     
  14. Deadrody

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    WTF?! The NFL takes an ALLEGED equipment violation with specific penalties spelled out in the rules, and instead penalizes the team multiple draft picks and suspends the first ballot HOF starting QB 4 games with virtually no evidence whatsoever, and Pats fans whose arguments happen to coincide with the laws of physics are "terrible human beings" ?

    If this had happened to any team but the most hated franchise and fanbase in football - but then, it never would - it would be an outrage across the entire league.

    The ball pressures were explainable by the simplest formula in all of physics.
     
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  15. Deadrody

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    FYI, nerd professors at prestigious universities aren't football fans, regardless of their geographical location
     
  16. Deadrody

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    The real truth is, the NFL has no idea what the temperature was in either case, really. There is no uncertainty analysis performed that likely would have resulted in a range of pressures and temperatures that would have made it crystal clear that no conclusion of any action having taken place could ever be supported.

    And, keep in mind, all of this still would rely on this nimrod equipment manager having exactly removed just enough air to reduce the pressure by less than one half of one psi, as if that would ever make a difference in a game, in the bathroom without the benefit of a pressure gage in 112 seconds, IIRC.

    BTW, just ignore Deep, he's just trolling you. And succeeding in a ridiculous fashion.

    Really, the fact that this is still discussed as if the Patriots actually deflated these balls is just confirmation of just how F'ed up this country has become. Thus Trump vs. Hillary; conman vs. would-be felon
     
  17. uconnfan68

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    If justice was served, they would be 4-0.
     
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  19. Deepster

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    No, there is an "agree to disagree" because you're choosing which pieces of information you want to point out because they make your side of the case. And I respectfully disagree with that. I mean, explain "The Deflator" then? You can't. That's what I mean here.
     
  20. Husky25

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    In keeping with my word, I am no longer commenting on the subject, so congratulations on getting the last word. I hope that makes you sleep well tonight.
     
  21. August_West

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  22. upstater

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    I too have always thought it weird that a so-called P**** and metrosexual is also the greatest QB in NFL history.
     
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    gave you a like for the creative quote change :)
     
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