Discussion in 'Off Topic Archive' started by 8893, Sep 21, 2016.
And they say @upstater is wrong:
The Deflategate Scientists Unlock Their Lab
Did someone pay you to write that?
Because someone paid them to say that.
But at least the New York Times did its due diligence showing how noted and renowned physicists already proved they got it all wrong. Holes the size of Mauna Loa were blown through that report. It's right in the article you linked to.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Lock this up. I can't scalito take anymore of this.
It's also in the article the naysayers did non of the test or variety of tests exponent did. They didn't even know the extent exponent went to because exponent refused to talk about their tests till everything was over and done with instead of fighting a media battle.
Also their experts that worked on this are pretty well respected.
Face it the balls were tampered with accept the facts
What utter garbage. They completely ignore the fact that their conclusions are made on made up data. They assume a certain starting pressure (a uniform one) even though there are no records and certainly no records ball by ball. They assume one of the two wildly different gauges were use at inflation and the other was used to check at halftime, even though the referee recalls using the other gauge. It was clearly manipulated to come to a certain conclusion. Maybe Exponent didn't determine those points, maybe the NFL fed them to them and their conclusions flow from there.
They did the tests. One guy devoted 6 months to it in his physics class. It's in the link in the article. Exponent actually provided the stats and got their math wrong in the original report. It's been proven.
Read the entire article. Exponent is losing clients and needs good PR, because they totally botched things. Look at the links in the article that cite studies from renowned physicists. One of these guys was on the Showtime sports show, an Eagles fan, but a huge award winner. He went through the math and ripped it to shreds.
I mean, even Tom Brady gave in and admitted he was guilty. Can't we all finally get past this too?
They mention the real problem right in the article.
Caligiuri passed along the basics: The Patriots’ footballs were thought to be pumped up to about 12.5 p.s.i. before the game, the Colts’ balls at 13 p.s.i. The halftime readings were much lower and varied. The temperature outside was 48 degrees. It was known that the balls were tested at halftime inside, at room temperature: 11 Patriots balls but only four Colts balls, because officials ran out of time. The referee had two gauges, and one was way off.
There is no conclusion that can be drawn from that, whatever it is, that can be valid. Essentially you are starting from a point where you have no idea of the actual initial inflation pressure of any of the balls. So the NFL's position was to construe every single possibility in a way that was most negative to the Patriots. It was a hit job from the start.
If there was nothing there wouldn't have been text messages/communication sent and a destroyed cell phone.
It wasn't a cheating scandal that destroys the Patriots or even had that big of an affect on the game but the balls were tampered with
Yeah, like the way you admitted you were wrong about Digital Underground.
Pats fans. I give them credit, they'll go down with the ship to the Ocean floor.
Tom Brady could murder their mother and they would defend him by saying "the DNA match said its 1 in 6 Billion so the true culprit could actually still be out there"
Where do you get this? He hasn't admitted anything. His appeals ended up being about labor law so said nothing about the facts, which were treated as irrelevant.
How could you question anything when you have the harbinger of Truth and Transparency on your side;
Were the scientists able to explain how all those text messages between equipment managers were really just about weight loss?
Agree to disagree here, friend.
People hate us cause they ain't us.
The real issue here was never about the footballs. It was about a little known/enforced rule that was used as a power play by the NFL to cloud other decisions regarding discipline policy.
You mean this text message?
Which was sent 30 seconds after this appeared on TV screens all over America:
This was an away game. Jastremski is not in control of the balls at away games. Those balls are brought out by the home team ballboys and given to the refs and NFL officials who control them during the game.
So--what do you think "deflate" refers to here? Balls or the guy's puffy coat?
That's where we all are, or should be. There's no point in discussing it further really. Nobody is convincing anyone else.
The Patriot haters (hmm Patrihaters?) are just trolling. No doubt because 1) they know Pat fans will take the bait and because 2) NE walked away with a win in game on of Brady's suspension. No one who is vaguely intelligent or informed actually believes that the balls were tampered with.
Anyway Pats are 2-0 and there are two games left in Brady's suspension. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Im sure Bellicheat has found the right rules to "bend" to make of for Toms absence. Not shocked about the win.
Says the Pats fan.....
2-0 and two games left.
... fixed it.
Not gonna lie, I haven't read a single reply to this thread.
But I can confidently say that if you're still passionate enough about this issue to write a multiple paragraph response for either side, then you're a terrible human being who deserves horrible things in life.
(And yes, I'm aware I just wrote multiple paragraphs.)
Green eyed monster all over this thread.
The "Puffy Coat" theory!
We have entered "this could have been a Seinfeld episode" territory.
We have reached the pinnacle. I promise never to participate in these threads again. Thanks for the chuckle.
You don't have to believe that he's supposed to "deflate a puffy coat" to understand that the text was sent at an away game and also said "give somebody that jacket", and on live TV you can can see him holding a jacket at approximately the same time. I don't know what it was about, but it couldn't have been about deflating footballs.
No. It was about a "Puffy Coat"
There's a verb...deflate and then the words "and give somebody that jacket". Who the hell knows?
Maybe this. Inflatable jacket warms up with puffs of air or argon
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