OT: Cuse.. How is it not an issue?!?

[sammydabiz]

Okay so all I've been reading on here is: its just weed-who cares, I bet 90% of the teams in D1 smoke up, yahoo just being yahoo, non issue, yada yada yada

Now don't get me wrong, I've burned with the best of'em, and agree with the "big deal it's weed" view. But that's NOT the issue. I doesn't matter whether it was weed or meth, the potential problem lies in the fact that Cuse set up rules against illegal drug use while playing for their athletic programs. It has been reported that there were players who violated these guidelines and persisted to play eventhough the coaching staff and athletic dept. were well aware of the violations. Since these players, who should have been deemed ineligible, continued to play...wouldnt that cause Cuse to vacate those wins? And the kicker is it included the 2003 national championship year. IMO I wouldn't be surprised to find out Melo (Carmelo) was one of'em

Yes, this potential scandal doesn't have anything to do with this years Cuse players, but it has a lot to do with this years Cuse coach, Jimmy B, and would be a major black eye on his career.

I don't know, it seems that most of us in the yard are just writing it off b/c it's weed, IMO- the drug that was consumed is irrelevant, the breaking of school policy is and potentially crippling.
But maybe I am looking at it all wrong, I'd like to hear a contrasting view.

 

[caw]

No contrasting view from me. You are correct, it doesn't reflect well on Cuse. Breaking the NCAA rules is one thing, breaking your own is just dumb. I don't wish anything bad on Cuse, but this doesn't look good.

This could be a devastating issue at Syracuse.

The problem with 10 players over 10 years is that you are talking about possibly that covering all 10 years, the NCAA could theoretically strip Cuse of all accomplishments for the past 10 years. The NCAA could do any of the following: loss of past games/possibly loss of NC/JB's win total drops/NCAAT future sanctions/loss of scholarships/returning money from past tournaments.

The tough part is, until the NCAA rules on it, you just don't know what they'll do. It's insane how much power the NCAA has.

To be honest, I think it would be a rather lame way to lose games/a NC/etc.

 

[hoopsknowitall]

No contrasting view from me. You are correct, it doesn't reflect well on Cuse. Breaking the NCAA rules is one thing, breaking your own is just dumb. I don't wish anything bad on Cuse, but this doesn't look good.

This could be a devastating issue at Syracuse.


This is going to be bad for Syracuse. Institutional breaking of rules is something the NCAA absolutely loves to break stones on.

What are the chances Carmelo Anthony WASN'T one of the ten?

 

[husky711]

Okay so all I've been reading on here is: its just weed-who cares, I bet 90% of the teams in D1 smoke up, yahoo just being yahoo, non issue, yada yada yada

Now don't get me wrong, I've burned with the best of'em, and agree with the "big deal it's weed" view. But that's NOT the issue. I doesn't matter whether it was weed or meth, the potential problem lies in the fact that Cuse set up rules against illegal drug use while playing for their athletic programs. It has been reported that there were players who violated these guidelines and persisted to play eventhough the coaching staff and athletic dept. were well aware of the violations. Since these players, who should have been deemed ineligible, continued to play...wouldnt that cause Cuse to vacate those wins? And the kicker is it included the 2003 national championship year. IMO I wouldn't be surprised to find out Melo (Carmelo) was one of'em

Yes, this potential scandal doesn't have anything to do with this years Cuse players, but it has a lot to do with this years Cuse coach, Jimmy B, and would be a major black eye on his career.

I don't know, it seems that most of us in the yard are just writing it off b/c it's weed, IMO- the drug that was consumed is irrelevant, the breaking of school policy is and potentially crippling.
But maybe I am looking at it all wrong, I'd like to hear a contrasting view.

I completely agree. Hell, I am 100% for the legalization of marijuana (glad it was finally decriminalized in CT) as I really don't see how alcohol can be legal, yet marijuana is illegal. That is a WHOLE separate debate for another time, though.

The principle of the matter in this case is that Syracuse set up a drug testing policy (which did include weed) and when it was violated, they did not impose the sanctions that their policy stated should be imposed. THAT is an NCAA violation due to the fact that the university failed to govern itself (a willful violation), which is a display of lack of institutional control.

Trust me, I don't feel that marijuana should be a big deal... and if alcohol isn't tested for then I don't feel that pot should be either. However, the rules are the rules... and when rules are in place one must abide by them whether you are a bench warmer or Carmelo Anthony (not saying I know he is one of the players in question, just an example of someone that would be valuable to the team and would be beneficial for Syracuse to bypass their drug policy). It'd be nice if society could wake up and remove weed from being associated with other drugs... and be perceived by society as alcohol is, given the fact that it honestly is safer than alcohol in many ways. Not only is it less detrimental to one's health, but it is less dangerous in many ways. Regardless, again that is another debate for another time.

Bottom line: Until society changes and marijuana is NOT included in these drug policies and is officially legalized, then any policies pertaining to it must be adhered to. It is simply a matter of governing your program and enforcing policies that the program/university have set forth.

 

[Donyell]

Good "ol Boeheim". Sgt.Schultz to the end. I see nothing , I know nothing. It's all news to me. Got to be kidding. You could buy the Fine situation I suppose though that is quite incredible with what went on for so long with your top asst. and neighbor having his fun right under his nose, but this is too much. Think about it. Players violating drug polices and the head coach knows nothing , nothing nothing. Hard to believe. This playing dumb is actually smart it is what the lawyers say. Deny , Deny , Deny. I've always liked the guy but man get real.

 

[upstater]

I have no idea what's gone on with the UConn players at Storrs but with the Cuse players, they seem to get away with a lot over the years. I can't recall stuff like that happening at UConn. Instead, you see kids getting suspended and thrown out for drinking, smoking, being in possession, getting in fights in the dorms, violating restraining orders, etc. Wiggins, Kellogg, Wrenn, Dyson, we see those players receive some form of punishment. The only questions people have had about the program have been the laptop affair, and UConn went out of its way to show the suspensions for stealing a laptop were in line with what students received for similar crimes. At Syracuse? Nothing. Crickets.

Like I said, I don't know what else goes on at UConn but it sure seems like one program is meting out discipline while the other looks away.

 

[SkyWalker2011]

I do almost feel bad for Cuse in this situation. When/if the NCAA comes a'kockin' it won't be fun for them. I think we all can relate to that.

 

[Huskymaniac]

The bottom line is that the UConn police and administration go out of their way to make sure the players are caught and punished for every little mistake. Cuse, umess and fans of other teams like to point fingers at UConn but the same crap goes on at every d1 program. The just have the support of their cops and admin. I guess Calhoun and/or the players over the years burned key bridges while others didn't.

 

[Reno]

Seems as though those allegations will be difficult to prove, no?

 

[caw]

Seems as though those allegations will be difficult to prove, no?

If Syracuse self-reported, there is at least some sort of violation going on. The question is what and how deep the NCAA will delve.

 

[Jaker]

its clear Bohiem has no control of his program


pee pee touching, dope smoking, 3rdbass pleasing, whats next??

 

[freescooter]

its clear Bohiem has no control of his program

Been that way for a long time. He has recruited thugs and gotten away with it. None of this surprises me...and I'm really tired of his Sgt Schultz impression...nobody told the head coach that his players failed drug tests? Sure they didn't.

 

[Jaker]

USA today says this will be a big deal to the NCAA if they find out any truth to the story.

 

[Ricky1Moore]

This is definitely a big deal... it's coaches covering up so that ineligible kids can play... and then self reporting long after they are gone (or at least after they are gone). It's definitely lack of institutional control, and it's much worse for Boeheim if he knew anything about it. This could be a huge deal for Cuse

 

[Jaker]

lmao if Bohiems only NC gets vacated

 

[Donyell]

He's perfected the I see nothing - I hear nothing - I know nothing defense.

 

[babysheep]

Didn't Devendorf B+E and beat up his girlfriend a few years ago? I don't remember him sitting. Could be wrong though; I remember hearing about it when I was a freshman 3 years ago and that whole year is a giant blur

 

[tzznandrew]

Didn't Devendorf B+E and beat up his girlfriend a few years ago? I don't remember him sitting. Could be wrong though; I remember hearing about it when I was a freshman 3 years ago and that whole year is a giant blur

Syracuse had a run of unlikable players from about 2006-2009. Everybody on those teams are, what I like to call, punch-in-the-face-able.

Before and after that window, I've more or less been unbothered by their players.

 

[Waquoit]

Why do you think they were so melo?

 

[freescooter]

For those of you who don't think smoking dope is a big deal, I get the point but in this case it may be one of those "it isn't the crime but the coverup" situations. You have a policy then you ignore it when it suits your purpose? Beyond that I'm not sure any coach I've ever met either durin gmy competetive days or more recently would favor the use of drugs or alcohol for that matter during the season, for lots of reasons. Part of it is simply self discipline. Partly for legal reasons. Part of it is the impact on performance.