OT: Carmelo doesn't like to pass

[Kitaman]

I had a playoff brain fart (Knicks aren't usually playing this time of year). I watched Melo and when the ball is not in his hands he has his hands out asking for it. He's not positioning for a rebound, running around as a decoy or to get a better shot, he's simply on the outside demanding the ball. Secondly he gets the ball and shoots and shoots and shoots. When he not making them he shoots some more. I think its obvious he doesn't care to pass but damn I can't think of a player in recent times who shoots so damn much.

I know he was the leading scorer in the NBA this season, and he certainly can do that. But facilitating, ball sharing and ball movement are not in his repertoire, seriously handicapping the Knicks. I'm wondering how his teammates feel about not being a part of the offense. He could be a great superstar if he simply played with the team and not by himself so much.

 

[JaYnYcE]

I had a playoff brain fart (Knicks aren't usually playing this time of year). I watched Melo and when the ball is not in his hands he has his hands out asking for it. He's not positioning for a rebound, running around as a decoy or to get a better shot, he's simply on the outside demanding the ball. Secondly he gets the ball and shoots and shoots and shoots. When he not making them he shoots some more. I think its obvious he doesn't care to pass but damn I can't think of a player in recent times who shoots so damn much.

I know he was the leading scorer in the NBA this season, and he certainly can do that. But facilitating, ball sharing and ball movement are not in his repertoire, seriously handicapping the Knicks. I'm wondering how his teammates feel about not being a part of the offense. He could be a great superstar if he simply played with the team and not by himself so much.

The offense runs through him. The Pick and Roll is the second option. I mentioned this in another thread. It Woodson's decision. It's very similar to what he ran in Atlanta with Iso Joe Johnson.

And the Knicks wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for Anthony so I don't think there's any ill feelings towards him from his teammates.


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[mauconnfan]

The offense runs through him. The Pick and Roll is the second option. I mentioned this in another thread. It Woodson's decision. It's very similar to what he ran in Atlanta with Iso Joe Johnson.

And the Knicks wouldn't be where they are today if it wasn't for Anthony so I don't think there's any ill feelings towards him from his teammates.


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Agreed they need him to be where they are but saying they don't have "any" ill feelings would be hard to support......plenty of guys shaking their heads when he throws up 30 shots I promise!!

 

[James]

Majority of Knicks possessions should be initiated by a Felton pick n roll. but for some reason Woodson/players throw it all out the window and start isoing everywhere late in games. prigioni has been productive but often Woodson benches him for no reason. He's another great pnr player.

 

[HooperScooper]

I would concur on Anthony being a ball hog and an impediment to the offense. I know Knicks fans will say they don't get here without him scoring so much. But you can't win big in the NBA with an offense like that. The other players are just too good in the NBA. This isn't college where the superstars are so much better than the average players. I watched him a lot on Friday night when I went to game 6 against the Celtics and he had the ball in his hands most of the time and just chucked up shots almost every time while the other 4 players just stood there and watched him. Probably because they knew they weren't ever getting the ball back.

 

[BearJWS]

Anyone else remember when Melo was pouting that every possession didn't run through Melo#1, Melo#2 & Melo#3 under D'Antoni? Basically he sulked when Lin was having success... I'm a Knick fan & was disgusted at it.

 

[sparky]

Melo is a scorer not a passer. Iman needs more playing time and Felton should initiate the offense. Maybe Amare will be effective when he comes back. This series is Indiana's to lose.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Does "OT" stand for "Obvious Topic" in this case?

 

[CTBasketball]

Well duh. Carmelo isn't going to be in the Hall of Fame because he hasn't won nothing. He is just a high volume scorer that plays for the Knicks.

 

[JaYnYcE]

Bernard King and Reggie Miller are in the Hall of Fame and they never won anything. They too were high volume shooters.


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[Lefty2one]

The offense runs through him. The Pick and Roll is the second option. I mentioned this in another thread. It Woodson's decision. It's very similar to what he ran in Atlanta with Iso Joe Johnson.

As a Knick fan I feel like this is a huge misconception. Melo HAS to play in an iso-heavy offense. When Pringles tried to get him to buy in to 7SOL he was a mess. He was passive, didn't know how to move without the ball and had absolutely no feel for it. And this is an offense that 99% of the NBA can pick up in a day and excel in. But it requires a lot of passing, cutting and sharing the ball. Those are foreign concepts to Melo for the most part. As the poster above mentioned, when Lin was running the show Melo could not fit in. The team was having success and Melo basically came in and killed it for a while.

Sure, some of it goes on Woodson but far more goes on Melo. You can iso a lot and still pass the damn basketball when you get triple teamed. Melo doesn't do that, he iso's with one thing in mind. He's like Kobe in a sense, his feel for the game is lackluster. Kobe is either in scoring mode or passing mode, he never has been good at reading the D and making the right decision.

And as for the HOF, if guys like Reggie Miller and James Worthy are in it then Melo will 100% wind up there.

 

[JaYnYcE]

As a Knick fan I feel like this is a huge misconception. Melo HAS to play in an iso-heavy offense. When Pringles tried to get him to buy in to 7SOL he was a mess. He was passive, didn't know how to move without the ball and had absolutely no feel for it. And this is an offense that 99% of the NBA can pick up in a day and excel in. But it requires a lot of passing, cutting and sharing the ball. Those are foreign concepts to Melo for the most part. As the poster above mentioned, when Lin was running the show Melo could not fit in. The team was having success and Melo basically came in and killed it for a while.

Sure, some of it goes on Woodson but far more goes on Melo. You can iso a lot and still pass the damn basketball when you get triple teamed. Melo doesn't do that, he iso's with one thing in mind. He's like Kobe in a sense, his feel for the game is lackluster. Kobe is either in scoring mode or passing mode, he never has been good at reading the D and making the right decision.

And as for the HOF, if guys like Reggie Miller and James Worthy are in it then Melo will 100% wind up there.

The thing is, Melo does pass out of the triple and double if he sees an open man. He's done a better job this year doing that, but he's starting to do things like play 1on 5 in these past few games. I think Kidd, Chandler and maybe Rasheed should just sit him down and make him realize that he's gotta relax and do what got the team there this year. He's 12 wins away from a world Championship, one game at a time.


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[Lefty2one]

If you're being triple teamed and you CAN'T see an open man...

Anyway, I agree that he made strides this season but he's been awful in the playoffs. He regressed big time and has blinders on again. The stats for him since Game 4 in Boston are absolutely dreadful. He was foolishly trying to attack Hibbert over and over again in Game 1, trying to go over the top of him instead of attacking his body and protecting the ball. So many Knick fans complain that Melo doesn't get the calls that other stars get but I think it's BS. None of those plays are fouls. All great D by Indy outside of the play where Melo tried to dunk on Hibbert and he smacked Melo in the face. But when you bitch ENDLESSLY to the refs they aren't going to give you the 50/50 calls, which is a whole other can of worms with this Knicks team.

 

[Kitaman]

Melo basically said he will shoot himself out of this slump. That may be fine for him and his slump but not for a Championship. Chandler went to the Olmpics and is not getting the ball down-low. Grandpa Kid is also a HOFer and is invisible but will be one of the best point guards ever. With his experience why doesn't the offense go through him? Felton in a few recent games has played out of his mind, yet becomes a spectator once Melo has the ball. JR sixth man of the year award MUST shoot if he has a shot, if not Melo will. They have a team of All Stars but one of them will not cede to others greatness. Until that's fixed (i.e. Melo) the Knicks will never reach the collective potential of their team. Its a sad story to me.

Its the above reason I respect Lebron more and more. He has nothing to prove individually but not so as a teammate.

 

[JaYnYcE]

If you're being triple teamed and you CAN'T see an open man...

Anyway, I agree that he made strides this season but he's been awful in the playoffs. He regressed big time and has blinders on again. The stats for him since Game 4 in Boston are absolutely dreadful. He was foolishly trying to attack Hibbert over and over again in Game 1, trying to go over the top of him instead of attacking his body and protecting the ball. So many Knick fans complain that Melo doesn't get the calls that other stars get but I think it's BS. None of those plays are fouls. All great D by Indy outside of the play where Melo tried to dunk on Hibbert and he smacked Melo in the face. But when you bitch ENDLESSLY to the refs they aren't going to give you the 50/50 calls, which is a whole other can of worms with this Knicks team.

They got out coached and out muscled by the Pacers. I just hope they find a way to start making some shots.


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[JaYnYcE]

Melo basically said he will shoot himself out of this slump. That may be fine for him and his slump but not for a Championship. Chandler went to the Olmpics and is not getting the ball down-low. Grandpa Kid is also a HOFer and is invisible but will be one of the best point guards ever. With his experience why doesn't the offense go through him? Felton in a few recent games has played out of his mind, yet becomes a spectator once Melo has the ball. JR sixth man of the year award MUST shoot if he has a shot, if not Melo will. They have a team of All Stars but one of them will not cede to others greatness. Until that's fixed (i.e. Melo) the Knicks will never reach the collective potential of their team. Its a sad story to me.

Its the above reason I respect Lebron more and more. He has nothing to prove individually but not so as a teammate.

Chandler needs the pick and roll to be effective. He also has been dropping passes by the guards down low recently. Jason Kidd hasn't made a shot in going on 3 or 4 games now. Ball movement wins games but if no one is making shots, point blank ones, then you're going to turn to your players who can, Melo and JR.


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[YearoftheHusky]

Well duh. Carmelo isn't going to be in the Hall of Fame because he hasn't won nothing. He is just a high volume scorer that plays for the Knicks.

So, then, what has he won?

 

[Lefty2one]

Chandler can't score unless it's a putback or a lob. Kidd has been past his prime for years, the offense wasn't even going through him a few years ago in Dallas when they won the title. Felton's decision making in the PnR game has always been spotty at best and he's a poor finisher. His last few games may be the best he's played as a Knick under Woodson. That being said, Felton and the PnR game needs to be much more prevalent. It creates movement, puts pressure on the D and makes them react. The D barely has to work when Melo isolates, just one of the many reasons an iso-heavy offense will never win a title unless the iso-ee is a playmaker and not a volume scorer.

 

[Scoe]

Melo will be in the HOF if Bernard King, Dominique, George Gervin, Walt Bellamy, Ralph Sampson are in Melo will definetly get in.

 

[James]

Vince carter at some point will be a hall of famer. Hall of fame induction doesn't require a minimum playoff success rate. Anyway, after examining JR's shot chart you have to wonder if his late season flourish was fools gold. IMO when jr was an elite and efficient scorer, it opened up the entire floor for pnr's and melo.

EDIT: The last ten games going into the playoffs, smith was averaging 22.8/6.7 rebounds/2.4 assists, shooting 49%/42%/69%. in the playoffs it's 15.5/4.5/1.5 shooting a woeful 36%/33%/69%.

 

[UConn990411]

Melo is 100% going to be a Hall of Famer - the dude's numbers are too overwhelmingly good not to vote him in (25 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.1 apg). Plus, he has two Gold rings as a starter, and he's going to make a few playoff runs before his career is over.

Vince Carter is a different story. I would think he'd get in, even if not right away, but it will be a reluctant admission on the part of the voters. He career has been somewhat of a joke since the end of his Toronto days. (I know there aren't a lot of Bill Simmons fans on here, but the bit in his book about Vince is both hilarious and spot on.)

 

[Lefty2one]

I'd be shocked if Vince wasn't a HOFer. I think he'll definitely get in.

 

[Scoe]

Vince will get in as well, they arent picky when it comes to the basketball HOF, the Pro Football HOF and Baseball HOF is whole different story, Hockey HOF would follow along the same lines as the Basketball HOF.

 

[JaYnYcE]

Chandler can't score unless it's a putback or a lob. Kidd has been past his prime for years, the offense wasn't even going through him a few years ago in Dallas when they won the title. Felton's decision making in the PnR game has always been spotty at best and he's a poor finisher. His last few games may be the best he's played as a Knick under Woodson. That being said, Felton and the PnR game needs to be much more prevalent. It creates movement, puts pressure on the D and makes them react. The D barely has to work when Melo isolates, just one of the many reasons an iso-heavy offense will never win a title unless the iso-ee is a playmaker and not a volume scorer.

When Felton attacks the rim it opens the floor for everyone. I don't think he's a poor finisher at all, he's a pretty good at getting a contested layup.


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[JaYnYcE]

Melo is 100% going to be a Hall of Famer - the dude's numbers are too overwhelmingly good not to vote him in (25 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.1 apg). Plus, he has two Gold rings as a starter, and he's going to make a few playoff runs before his career is over.

Vince Carter is a different story. I would think he'd get in, even if not right away, but it will be a reluctant admission on the part of the voters. He career has been somewhat of a joke since the end of his Toronto days. (I know there aren't a lot of Bill Simmons fans on here, but the bit in his book about Vince is both hilarious and spot on.)

And he led Cuse to their only National Title to date.


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