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Pretty boring game here, but set up for a great ending.

Big play by Manning looks like he tripped, got up, and toss a 30+ yarder, but damned if that didn't look like he was giving himself up the way he fell.
 
Kubiak was the worst hire. His offense is horrendous
 
Kubiak was the worst hire. His offense is horrendous

One aspect of the Brady-Manning debate that is often overlooked:

Brady has benefited from having Belichick coach his team for 15 years.

Manning has been saddled with the uninspired and uninspiring Jim Mora, Tony Dungy, Jim Caldwell, John Fox, and now Gary Kubiak.
 
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The Brady/Manning thing isn't a debate anymore. And I say that as somebody who went to bat for Manning for a long time.
 
Not a Pitt fan at all but love the way they have played all banged up and depleted
Damn wish the Big Blue had a HC like Tomlin
Broncs don't send me at all
If Pats are healthy going into Denver I think they come out as winners
 
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Hoping for the Steelers to win because I thought they had a better shot to knock out NE with their offense (higher altitude and injuries affected their offense tonight)

Denvers defense did a good job shutting down NE in Denver in the last though, postseason or regular season.
 
Mile high has not been kind to Brady. He is 2-6 at and 0-2 in the playoffs. Pats should be favored though, given the Broncos offensive woes.

Denver defense and pats offense are healthy so no excuses on either side. This should be the last Brady/manning bowl, I imagine.
 
Big play by Manning looks like he tripped, got up, and toss a 30+ yarder, but damned if that didn't look like he was giving himself up the way he fell.



You can't possibly watch this and conclude anything other than he was taking the sack. Look how he throws himself on the ground and then how slowly he starts to get up before he decides to make a play.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
688876392457449472 You can't possibly watch this and conclude anything other than he was taking the sack. Look how he throws himself on the ground and then how slowly he starts to get up before he decides to make a play.

Yep, I thought he gave himself up, but they didn't blow the whistle and I'm glad he played through it!
 
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Didn't Denver already beat N.E. this season??

No Edelman, no Amendola, no Collins, plus Gronk got hurt in that game. But yes DEN won, so not sure why NE would even bother showing up Sunday.
 
No fan of them at all, but with the Pats healthier now I think they win it all again. Denver won't have enough offense, and Carolina's very good (think they'll handle Arizona) but Brady/Belichick have too much experience at this.

Hoping I'm wrong.
 
No Edelman, no Amendola, no Collins, plus Gronk got hurt in that game. But yes DEN won, so not sure why NE would even bother showing up Sunday.

And Hightower went out in the 2nd quarter. That's why Denver started running all over them all of a sudden.
 
Damn wish the Big Blue had a HC like Tomlin

No you don't. Tomlin mismanages everything under the sun. He's overrated imo.

Coughlin's a way better coach than Tomlin fwiw.
 
Denver defense and pats offense are healthy so no excuses on either side. This should be the last Brady/manning bowl, I imagine.

As healthy as they can be I guess. Edeleman and Gronk are still coming along. Def healthy enough to play. And of course they don't have their #1 and #2 running backs and their #1 O-lineman anymore either. But that's life in the NFL.

The concern is Collins, Chandler Jones, and Mayo though. All three both left the game and didn't return, and the first two are 2 of the top 5 defensive players on the team.
 
You can't possibly watch this and conclude anything other than he was taking the sack. Look how he throws himself on the ground and then how slowly he starts to get up before he decides to make a play.

I just thought that was Peyton being old and decrepit.

Key to this game is stopping the run. If the Pats do that, they'll win. Peyton isn't going to beat you with his arm anymore.

I was shocked at how soft both teams defensive backs looked in that game. So many guys were wide open.
 
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I just thought that was Peyton being old and decrepit.

Key to this game is stopping the run. If the Pats do that, they'll win. Peyton isn't going to beat you with his arm anymore.

I was shocked at how soft both teams defensive backs looked in that game. So many guys were wide open.

I loved Phil Simms insisting that the 10 yard ducks Peyton was throwing were tipped by imaginary defensive players.
 
I loved Phil Simms insisting that the 10 yard ducks Peyton was throwing were tipped by imaginary defensive players.

Simms quote of the night:

On the Denver 2-pt conversion: “I think it’s going to be run, pass, or maybe not.” Genius.

Source: the highly underrated twitter account @philsimmsquotes
 
If Denver has a pass rush, that's the way the Giants always bothered Brady, he's not that mobile. I admit it's a tall order but not impossible.
 
If Denver has a pass rush, that's the way the Giants always bothered Brady, he's not that mobile. I admit it's a tall order but not impossible.

The Giants beat Brady by getting pressure on him in 2007, for sure. But it's fair to mention Brady was in a walking boot leading up to that game. As immobile as he usually is, it was even worse then. Also, the Giants D-line absolutely manhandled the Pats O-line. It was so one sided it was downright embarrassing; I don't expect to see that lopsided a showing again.

It's a bit of a myth that pressure bothers Brady more than most--no QB likes pressure. He's one of the most accurate and least sacked under pressure. Comes in ranked third behind Luck and Rivers against the blitz (via PFF). And he's also very adept at sensing the rush and moving around in the pocket.

Being bothered by the rush is definitely notable when he doesn't have Edelman though. When targeting Edelman on Saturday (10 for 16), while I forget the exact stat, the average time from snap to release was something under 2 seconds. Doesn't matter how good the rush is with that kind of timing.

And the key is you can only rush 4 guys. You've got to drop everyone else into coverage and flood the middle of the field. If you can get quick pressure with 4 guys you've got a good shot.

Specific to Denver: they have a great Pass rush, but the problem is that their linebackers are exploitable and that's something the Pats do very well. Brady should be able to get out a quick ball on those guys.
 
No you don't. Tomlin mismanages everything under the sun. He's overrated imo.

Coughlin's a way better coach than Tomlin fwiw.
I'm a Steeler fan but not a big Tomlin fan. I would certainly have traded him for Coughlin. Not even a huge Chuck Noll fan as an on field coach.I might have won with that talent.
Cowher was by far the best of the three.
 
I'm a Steeler fan but not a big Tomlin fan. I would certainly have traded him for Coughlin. Not even a huge Chuck Noll fan as an on field coach.I might have won with that talent.
Cowher was by far the best of the three.

Love Bill Cowher. He is one of the few reasonable NFL guys commenting on the league these days. Wish he was still coaching.
 
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