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Message: [QUOTE="The deacon, post: 4164823, member: 11559"] We'll agree to disagree about the degree to which Liv's arm swings downward, Cohenzone. As for refs, officials at every level do and likely will call a defensive foul when they see a player's arm(s) swinging toward the shooter, contact or not. They apparently assume contact. This is an issue we've all been stressed about with Olivia since she first donned a Huskies uniform. She might be better at it than before, but I still believe she sets herself up for foul trouble too often. I suspect a player's foul history might weigh into some officials' calls, too. [/QUOTE]