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Message: [QUOTE="newfrontier, post: 3411909, member: 8141"] Don't put words in my mouth. I never said the refs were the main or only difference or even a definitive contributing difference in the outcome of Oregon vs. Oregon state game on Friday night. As I stated in my original comment, OSU lost because of poor 3 point shooting, having more turnovers than Oregon, and making fewer free throws (ie. they shot a lower percentage). I have never commented on the Oregon State vs. Arizona games or the Oregon State vs. Stanford game and I don't know what others have said about them. I have not even read the thread or any thread on the latter. Also, I have never commented on Pivec's play as to whether it is or was "dirty" or "clean" or something similar to these adverbs....actually, never in my entire life! [/QUOTE]