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Message: [QUOTE="Towney007, post: 3414974, member: 5832"] No we're not far off at all for sure. I guess my point is on the upperclassmen - and this'll get me some ugly looks but.... who cares about their development? Like OK - let's say they take a step forward - like does it really matter a ton in the long run? Or maybe I should just say instead of 'who cares' is - they're not the priority anymore. Vital's gone this year. Carlton and Gilbert are question marks to even come back. Everyone who's going to be here though - is better and has shown improvement all year. You and I are 100% eye to eye on Josh. I don't like talking about players like this publicly because we know they read our trash opinions - but I just don't know what the pathway forward for Josh is here. He's the worst possible fit for Hurley's system. Even though you can't tell if Hurley wants to press consistently or not - like you said - you can't use him in that defensive set. And that double sucks when your team's best defensive set is.... pressing. Like you said - the only real use for him is zone and even that's a roll of the dice most of the time. In the weave he just gums things up. He drags his man out the three point line and guys just stop following him because he's not threatening anyone up there. He doesn't roll or crash well so can't hit him on the back cut... and Vital and Gilbert- usually the guys doing the driving - are kinda bone heads when it comes to taking overly contested shots.... and him leaving his defender in the key for them to collide into literally exacerbates the worst habit they have. Like I don't think he's LOOKING to screw things up - it's just the way he is as a player is what screws up the offense and worse yet - it also so happens to amplify other players' worst problems. It's wild watching the difference in the offense using Akok or Wilson on the high screen and not him. It's like a different world. So he can't really help you out in offensive situations, he doesn't play the kind of defense you want to play... I just don't know how they use him. I feel like even with just Springs and Javonte Brown Ferguson in the fold - no matter how raw they might be - he's *totally* the odd guy out. At least Whalley like you said - fits a bit better and hey, he's got a motor. He's not very good, but he gets every drop possible out of what he can do. And if Cliff commits- he's a total goner. Like everyone keeps talking about Gilbert as the one to go - I think it's 1,000% Carlton before Gilbert. And it's not a knock on Josh, he just doesn't fit here AND he's gonna make SOMEONE pretty happy at a different program. He's probably the epitome of a guy who would really benefit entirely with a change of scenery. [/QUOTE]

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