Notre Dame's vote at the BCS meetings carries more weight than the Big East's

[Rumrunner]

"Don't be fooled, though. Getting rid of the BCS AQ status in 2014 won't mean all 11 conferences and Notre Dame will be treated as equals. They won't. And make no mistake, the BCS meetings are not a democracy. Although there are 12 voices in the room, only six really matter: SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC, Big 12 and Notre Dame."



http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ners-to-discern-what-a-plusone-will-look-like

McMurphy (or CBS) supposedly interviewed a majority of the commissioners and ND's AD.Not surprisingly, no matter the happy talk of NBC or Fox bidding $1 zillion for the Big East, the Big East looks to have been shown the children's table, along with MWC, CUSA, MAC, Sunbelt, and WAC.

I'm sure it's hard to understand given Marinattos dynamic and forceful personality (early rumors were he took over the BCS meetings and literally had Slive eating out of his hands when he whipped out a bowl of pasta fagioli).

 

[gars44]

And this is surprising why?

 

[upstater]

I predict in 2014: The issue whether access should be limited to conference champions only will be the most-heated and intriguing aspect of the new BCS format. This could go either way. I think ultimately they'll take the three highest ranked conference champions with the fourth spot going to whichever team ranks the highest from the following group: a fourth conference champion, Notre Dame or a non-conference champion.

Pretty convoluted language from the writer. At the very end, I think he means the top 3 conference champions plus whoever else is ranked highly. That last grouping = everyone else. So, not sure why he broke it down like that.

So, last year, it would have been Stanford at LSU and Oklahoma State at Alabama.
The year before, Stanford at Auburn and TCU at Oregon.
This model probably makes it a LOT more likely that a BE team could sneak into the national championship.

The real interesting thing would have been 2009.
TCU at Alabama and Cincinnati at Texas.

 

[RS9999X]

What's really being said is that the ACC and ND are sitting there for show to watch themselves get strong armed.

The Rose and Sugar could go it alone and pair the B12/SEC Champ in the Sugar and the PAC2/BiG in the Rose and the champ meeting in the Jerry Jones Bowl.

$150 million ought to do it. $37.5 million to each major conference.

The ACC, ND, MW confab and BE will get bought off with the secondary bowls: the Fiesta and Orange and Capital One

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The bowls are dead. The business model doesn't work, and they won't exist in 10 years. The 4 team playoff will be 16 by 2022. The NCAA is killing off the minor bowls and the BCS bowls are losing their best teams. The model is dead. No one is interested in a $2MM ticket guarantee to a third party to play an exhibition game.

 

[RS9999X]

It won't be ESPN that creates that model.

They seem stuck on the Charity Bowl model to give ESPN2 some viewership

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

well, duh. ND's vote holds more weight than the ACC as well, and you could argue the PAC 12.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Survive until the next contract. The Pac 12 got a massive deal despite consistently being 5th or 6th in the ratings of the majors. The Big 12 got a massive deal despite losing its second highest profile program (Nebraska) and its two best markets outside of Texas. The Big 10 is printing money despite being in a bunch of states that are rapidly shrinking. The SEC makes tons of money despite 1/2 its teams being in Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama, 4 of the 6 poorest states in the country that are virtually worthless to national advertisers. Ironically, the ACC, which covers the most attractive markets, has a lousy contract, because they locked in before it became such a sellers market.

Despite what the relative "value" of a league is by some mathematical calculation, the market drives price more than anything. There are a lot of buyers desperate for live content. I don't think the Big East will get $20MM+ a program like the rest of the leagues, but it will do well enough for UConn to stay competitive until the next round of realignment. The idiotic predictions by some well-disguised trolls that the next Big East TV deal will be SMALLER than the last undermines their credibility.

 

[Marty Jackson]

The bowls are dead. The business model doesn't work, and they won't exist in 10 years. The 4 team playoff will be 16 by 2022. The NCAA is killing off the minor bowls and the BCS bowls are losing their best teams. The model is dead. No one is interested in a $2MM ticket guarantee to a third party to play an exhibition game.

The business model for the bowls actually works quite well. Even the small bowls are making money hand over fist. Otherwise, there wouldn't be 35 freaking bowls every year. And, if you're in one of the three power conferences the bowl system works for you as well.

Would love to see a 16 team playoff that is not arbitrarily chosen by polls (conference champions). But, as long as ND is independent and tradition is valued higher than wins, you are going to have polls which will keep the 3 power conference and ND witht the biggest piece of the pie.

I don't think the bowls are going to go away without a fight. They've paid a ton of money up to this point and they aren't just going to walk away. And they have the SEC, Big10 and Pac12 in their back pocket.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The business model for the bowls actually works quite well. Even the small bowls are making money hand over fist. Otherwise, there wouldn't be 35 freaking bowls every year. And, if you're in one of the three power conferences the bowl system works for you as well.

Would love to see a 16 team playoff that is not arbitrarily chosen by polls (conference champions). But, as long as ND is independent and tradition is valued higher than wins, you are going to have polls which will keep the 3 power conference and ND witht the biggest piece of the pie.

I don't think the bowls are going to go away without a fight. They've paid a ton of money up to this point and they aren't just going to walk away. And they have the SEC, Big10 and Pac12 in their back pocket.

The business model doesn't work for the schools. $2MM ticket guarantees to play exhibition games in Miami or New Orleans are not real popular at public institutions that are depending on very shaky states for financial support. Why outsource the postseason when bringing it in-house (i.e. cutting out the bowls) would generate 3x the TV revenue.

Michigan would probably generate an additional $10-15 million a year for their 5 public D1A universities by going to a playoff model. That is $10-15 million less that has to be funded by taxpayers. The bowls are dead.

 

[Marty Jackson]

The business model doesn't work for the schools. $2MM ticket guarantees to play exhibition games in Miami or New Orleans are not real popular at public institutions that are depending on very shaky states for financial support. Why outsource the postseason when bringing it in-house (i.e. cutting out the bowls) would generate 3x the TV revenue.

Michigan would probably generate an additional $10-15 million a year for their 5 public D1A universities by going to a playoff model. That is $10-15 million less that has to be funded by taxpayers. The bowls are dead.

The bowls are simply the catalyst by which the Have's determine how to spread the pie. Explain to me if you're in the SEC how this model isn't working.
Getting rid of the bowls may make the overall pot bigger, but the risk is that non-traditional power conferences could wind up with a bigger % if you open up the postseason to a playoff.
If you're the SEC, Big10, or Pac12 you are not going to support any agenda that risks a smaller payday. Right now, if you're in the Big10, you have the potential for a NC and the Rosebowl... Same with the SEC, Pac12 and Big12.
I do agree that the way in which this model is changed is when the state legislatures step in and force a change.

 

[Adios]

So ND pretty much represents the BE. Got it.

 

[RS9999X]

One of the problems is the Orange Bowl. Unless they feature a Florida team on a Major Network the Orange Bowl is a dog and it won't hunt.

As the story lead put it this year

"The Orange Bowl earned one of the lowest ratings in recent memory for a marquee sporting event. Outside of the Stanley Cup Final and some of the major golf tournaments, it is difficult to conceive of a marquee sporting event earning less than a 5.0 TV rating. The previous lows for a BCS game were a 5.4 and 9.319 million for the 2009 Virginia Tech/Cincinnati Orange Bowl on FOX. Of the five lowest rated BCS bowls — 2012 Orange (4.5), 2009 Orange (5.4), 2012 Sugar (6.1), 2011 Fiesta (6.2) and 2011 Orange (6.7) — four have aired on ESPN, and three have been Orange Bowls."

The ACC championship we know is a dog. Woof!

I don't see how a playoff will change that. The Orange would likely be a first round bowl at best in a 16-team playoff featuring the ACC Champ. On ESPN featuring Clemson v. 2-seed from the majors it might draw a 7.0 in a good year.

 

[gars44]

So ND pretty much represents the BE. Got it.

This may or may not be correct, but how does that differ from the relationship of the any BSD (Big Swinging D--k) in any conference? TX is a BSD in the B12, along with OK. FSU and Clemson, VT are the BSDs in the ACC, although as many recognize, maybe not big enough. AL, LSU, FL. USC in the Pac. OSU and Mich in the B1G. There is always an anchor program. If the BE has ND as its anchor, who is that any different than the little fish in the other conferences?