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Message: [QUOTE="Bigboote, post: 4626451, member: 7631"] That was the thing about Citroens in the 60's -- they tried to do everything, and when you try to do everything, there's a zero probability that it's all working at the same time. They were very innovative, enough so that Maserati collaborated with them. A little more thread drift: There was an episode of Car Talk that had Daniel Pinkwater espousing his "Conservation of Misery." Pinkwater was a notorious fan of French cars and often talked of his automotive woes. His theory of the conservation of misery went something like this: Ones luck in other aspects of life is proportional to the number of French cars he owns. If you own one, you'll find money on the sidewalk, if you own two from different makers, you'll win at poker; if you own one each from Renault, Pugeot, and Citroen, you'll win the lottery. Back to our regularly scheduled programming. . . [/QUOTE]