Notre Dame / Ohio State Announce H&H Series

[Dooley]

Seems like ND is doing what it can to beef up its "OOC" scheduling to hold onto its Independence and still have a shot of getting into a Playoff. Scheduling more series like this will help them put off joining a P5 conference full-time for the foreseeable future.

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 1m
Notre Dame, Ohio State announce home/home series; 2022 at Ohio State, 2023 at Notre Dame

 

[Dooley]

More to my point about ND trying to retain Independence through better scheduling (not that Michigan is "bad", but I'm guessing they won't schedule some of their cupcakes as frequently)...

Tom Fornelli ‏@TomFornelli 1m
Notre Dame has replaced the Michigan series with games against Georgia, Texas and now Ohio State.

 

[Jimdish255]

Can't hurt recruiting either.

 

[UConnJim]

Announcing these games just days before the last scheduled Michigan/ND game is a real slap in the face to Michigan.

 

[Confident Carl]

More to my point about ND trying to retain Independence through better scheduling (not that Michigan is "bad", but I'm guessing they won't schedule some of their cupcakes as frequently)...

Tom Fornelli ‏@TomFornelli 1m
Notre Dame has replaced the Michigan series with games against Georgia, Texas and now Ohio State.

But Notre Dame will always play Navy due to past loyalties which bodes well for the American conference. As things change regarding Big 5 teams scheduling more Big 5 teams. At least we will have ND-Navy and a bench mark game of sorts.

http://www.navysports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072611aab.html

 

[TerryD]

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Announcing these games just days before the last scheduled Michigan/ND game is a real slap in the face to Michigan.

It was meant to be so, after all of the crying and "chicken dance" BS coming out of Ann Arbor since 2012.

If ND were "chicken", it would not have scheduled series with Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Oklahoma and Arizona State, among others, in recent years.

Michigan was/is just crying that ND beat it to the punch. Michigan AD Dave Brandon was talking about ending the ND/Michigan annual series back in 2010 and 2011.

Jack Swarbrick just got the drop on him in September, 2012, that is all. I think that this announcement today was payback for all the talking that Michigan has done since then.

 

[kyleslamb]

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It was meant to be so, after all of the crying and "chicken dance" BS coming out of Ann Arbor since 2012.

If ND were "chicken", it would not have scheduled series with Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Oklahoma and Arizona State, among others, in recent years.

Michigan was/is just crying that ND beat it to the punch. Michigan AD Dave Brandon was talking about ending the ND/Michigan annual series back in 2010 and 2011.

Jack Swarbrick just got the drop on him in September, 2012, that is all. I think that this announcement today was payback for all the talking that Michigan has done since then.

I agree with you wholly that this is the reason. I never understood Notre Dame's POV though. Michigan/Notre Dame was as national a game as it gets, despite the proximity.

 

[WestHartHusk]

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It was meant to be so, after all of the crying and "chicken dance" BS coming out of Ann Arbor since 2012.

If ND were "chicken", it would not have scheduled series with Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Oklahoma and Arizona State, among others, in recent years.

Michigan was/is just crying that ND beat it to the punch. Michigan AD Dave Brandon was talking about ending the ND/Michigan annual series back in 2010 and 2011.

Jack Swarbrick just got the drop on him in September, 2012, that is all. I think that this announcement today was payback for all the talking that Michigan has done since then.

What a wonderful Catholic university. It would be an interesting case study to compare the content of ND theology courses with the actual administration of the university.

 

[CTfan07]

From a biased perspective, great move by Swarbrick. Michigan has been peppering ND with negative comments since the Irish opted out of the series.

It's a strong move to announce a series with Michigan's rival, and a program that is probably a half-tier above the Wolverines in the past decade or so.

Notre Dame's perception has been strengthened by the move. A series with tOSU (along with future home and home series against Georgia and Texas, and perennial games against USC, Stanford and Michigan State) indicates that the Irish can schedule just fine as an independent. That's especially important in these turbulent times of conference realignment.

Now it's important to beat Michigan at home on Saturday night and put a cap on the series, just like Boatright and Napier did to Syracuse in Hartford two years ago.

 

[TerryD]

I agree with you wholly that this is the reason. I never understood Notre Dame's POV though. Michigan/Notre Dame was as national a game as it gets, despite the proximity.

Well, ND people despise Michigan and have for close to a century.

Michigan prevented ND from joining the Big Ten and then tried to organize a boycott of ND.

Michigan refused to play ND from 1909-42 and 1944-78.

Michigan was going to cancel the series when it was more advantageous to it. Dave Brandon eluded to this several times in 2010 and 2011, due to the Big Ten's 9 game schedule and some such.

ND got the drop on them and instead cancelled the series when it was more advantageous for ND (last home game in South Bend). That pissed Michigan off, I suppose.

The ACC move was part of it. I think that mostly it was to achieve this:



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nTwwXBUR9BI/U471qFQ0EuI/AAAAAAAAIbY/0uRhQ47DzlU/s1600/ND-game-sites...



Since this map came out, ND has scheduled the home/home with Georgia. Don't be surprised to see ND schedule more series with schools in the South and West.

ND's scheduling and recruiting priorities and philosophy has shifted to the Southeast/Southwest/West Coast.

The Ohio State series, in my opinion, was an exception and done primarily to shut Michigan up about ND "ducking" the Wolverines.

 

[TerryD]

What a wonderful Catholic university. It would be an interesting case study to compare the content of ND theology courses with the actual administration of the university.

What does Catholicism have to do with football schedules?

 

[APA]

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It was meant to be so, after all of the crying and "chicken dance" BS coming out of Ann Arbor since 2012.

If ND were "chicken", it would not have scheduled series with Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Oklahoma and Arizona State, among others, in recent years.

Michigan was/is just crying that ND beat it to the punch. Michigan AD Dave Brandon was talking about ending the ND/Michigan annual series back in 2010 and 2011.

Jack Swarbrick just got the drop on him in September, 2012, that is all. I think that this announcement today was payback for all the talking that Michigan has done since then.

Nonsense. There was only one comment about being "chicken", it was made by Hoke at a press conference and was obviously tongue in cheek. He laughed about it with Golic on the radio the next morning. Obviously the H&H w/ TOSU paints ND as lying about the need to get out of the UM series, which Michigan has dominated lately.

 

[Irishfan]

I agree with you wholly that this is the reason. I never understood Notre Dame's POV though. Michigan/Notre Dame was as national a game as it gets, despite the proximity.

With the criteria being used by the playoff selection committee, it has become important for ND to schedule ranked opponents. Thus the switch from Michigan to Ohio State.

 

[TerryD]

Nonsense. There was only one comment about being "chicken", it was made by Hoke at a press conference and was obviously tongue in cheek. He laughed about it with Golic on the radio the next morning. Obviously the H&H w/ TOSU paints ND as lying about the need to get out of the UM series, which Michigan has dominated lately.

Nonsense back to you. Sure, Hoke called ND out at a booster function. Dave Brandon made comments as well, although much more measured.

But, Michigan based sportswriters and fans have been doing so for two years. It was not a "one time thing" or "tongue in cheek".


http://theb1gtime.com/teams/michigan/michigan-s-hoke-calls-out-nd-for-dropping-rivalry.html

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/9/8/4706320/michigan-vs-notre-dame-chicken-dance

Well, Michigan could have said, “Hey, them’s the breaks, guys.” But who was Notre Dame to claim it didn’t need Michigan? So instead, Michigan coach Brady Hoke said Notre Dame “chickened out”. Hoke is a not a big-ego guy and was probably just having fun with it, but Michigan folks jumped on it. When Michigan beat Notre Dame in Ann Arbor last year, the loudspeakers blasted “The Chicken Dance” afterward."

http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/09/04/michigan-notre-dame-rivalry-ending

These reactions by Michigan are hypocritical and ironic considering Michigan's prior cancellations of the ND series over the decades.

http://www.melfortjournal.com/2014/09/03/irony-drapes-finale-of-heated-notre-dame-michigan-rivalry



Particularly so when it was Michigan who first started talking about ending the annual series with a two year "hiatus":


http://content.usatoday.com/communi...michigan-not-playing-2018-2019/1#.VAjW1PldXTp



"The announcement Wednesday from Michigan that the Wolverines and ND would be taking a hiatus in 2018 and ’19 only surprised Swarbrick in one respect.

“To tell you the truth, I already thought it had been announced,” the Notre Dame athletic director said. “I was caught off-guard by the fact it was news.

“We got a request from (former Michigan AD) Bill Martin, I want to say three years ago, ‘Would you consider this?’ And I said, ‘Sure, as long we can keep the rivalry going afterwards.’ Checked it off my list and never thought about it again.”

ND and Michigan took a break from each other twice in recent years — in 2000-01 when Texas A&M and Nebraska rolled onto the September schedules, and in 1995-96 when the Irish had a home-and-home with Ohio State.

“(Current Michigan AD) Dave Brandon called to talk about future scheduling,” Swarbrick said, “and the 2018-19 issue sort of surfaced for him for the first time. We had already committed the dates, so hence the announcement.”


http://irish.nbcsports.com/2013/05/14/friendly-reminder-michigan-asked-to-stop-nd-series-first/

ND cancelled exactly two games, the same as Michigan did in June, 2012 (three months before Swarbrick did).

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...michigan-not-playing-2018-2019/1#.VAjW1PldXTp



Nonsense back on the "lying to get out of the Michigan series" stuff too. If ND wanted out of a series because it was tough, it wouldn't have replaced Michigan with the likes of Ohio State, Georgia and Texas, among others.

 

[WestHartHusk]

Nonsense back to you. Sure, Hoke called ND out at a booster function. Dave Brandon made comments as well, although much more measured.

But, Michigan based sportswriters and fans have been doing so for two years. It was not a "one time thing" or "tongue in cheek".


http://theb1gtime.com/teams/michigan/michigan-s-hoke-calls-out-nd-for-dropping-rivalry.html

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/9/8/4706320/michigan-vs-notre-dame-chicken-dance

Well, Michigan could have said, “Hey, them’s the breaks, guys.” But who was Notre Dame to claim it didn’t need Michigan? So instead, Michigan coach Brady Hoke said Notre Dame “chickened out”. Hoke is a not a big-ego guy and was probably just having fun with it, but Michigan folks jumped on it. When Michigan beat Notre Dame in Ann Arbor last year, the loudspeakers blasted “The Chicken Dance” afterward."

http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/09/04/michigan-notre-dame-rivalry-ending

These reactions by Michigan are hypocritical and ironic considering Michigan's prior cancellations of the ND series over the decades.

http://www.melfortjournal.com/2014/09/03/irony-drapes-finale-of-heated-notre-dame-michigan-rivalry



Particularly so when it was Michigan who first started talking about ending the annual series with a two year "hiatus":


http://content.usatoday.com/communi...michigan-not-playing-2018-2019/1#.VAjW1PldXTp



"The announcement Wednesday from Michigan that the Wolverines and ND would be taking a hiatus in 2018 and ’19 only surprised Swarbrick in one respect.

“To tell you the truth, I already thought it had been announced,” the Notre Dame athletic director said. “I was caught off-guard by the fact it was news.

“We got a request from (former Michigan AD) Bill Martin, I want to say three years ago, ‘Would you consider this?’ And I said, ‘Sure, as long we can keep the rivalry going afterwards.’ Checked it off my list and never thought about it again.”

ND and Michigan took a break from each other twice in recent years — in 2000-01 when Texas A&M and Nebraska rolled onto the September schedules, and in 1995-96 when the Irish had a home-and-home with Ohio State.

“(Current Michigan AD) Dave Brandon called to talk about future scheduling,” Swarbrick said, “and the 2018-19 issue sort of surfaced for him for the first time. We had already committed the dates, so hence the announcement.”


http://irish.nbcsports.com/2013/05/14/friendly-reminder-michigan-asked-to-stop-nd-series-first/

ND cancelled exactly two games, the same as Michigan did in June, 2012 (three months before Swarbrick did).

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...michigan-not-playing-2018-2019/1#.VAjW1PldXTp



Nonsense back on the "lying to get out of the Michigan series" stuff too. If ND wanted out of a series because it was tough, it wouldn't have replaced Michigan with the likes of Ohio State, Georgia and Texas, among others.

ND fans are just so damn touchy. I can not imagine having to defend UCONN on message boards across the internet, you must be exhausted.

 

[kyleslamb]

With the criteria being used by the playoff selection committee, it has become important for ND to schedule ranked opponents. Thus the switch from Michigan to Ohio State.

That would be literally impossible to project eight years down the road, though. The players that would be on those teams in 2022 are currently between 4th and 8th grades.

 

[APA]

Well, ND people despise Michigan and have for close to a century.

Michigan prevented ND from joining the Big Ten and then tried to organize a boycott of ND.

Michigan refused to play ND from 1909-42 and 1944-78.

Michigan was going to cancel the series when it was more advantageous to it. Dave Brandon eluded to this several times in 2010 and 2011, due to the Big Ten's 9 game schedule and some such.

ND got the drop on them and instead cancelled the series when it was more advantageous for ND (last home game in South Bend). That pissed Michigan off, I suppose.

The ACC move was part of it. I think that mostly it was to achieve this:



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nTwwXBUR9BI/U471qFQ0EuI/AAAAAAAAIbY/0uRhQ47DzlU/s1600/ND-game-sites...



Since this map came out, ND has scheduled the home/home with Georgia. Don't be surprised to see ND schedule more series with schools in the South and West.

ND's scheduling and recruiting priorities and philosophy has shifted to the Southeast/Southwest/West Coast.

The Ohio State series, in my opinion, was an exception and done primarily to shut Michigan up about ND "ducking" the Wolverines.

Not quite sure, but I'm thinking you've got a stick up your butt about a foot long. Maybe one day, in 30 or40 years, your school will be relevant. Keep on dreaming in your little world.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Nonsense back to you. Sure, Hoke called ND out at a booster function. Dave Brandon made comments as well, although much more measured.

But, Michigan based sportswriters and fans have been doing so for two years. It was not a "one time thing" or "tongue in cheek".


http://theb1gtime.com/teams/michigan/michigan-s-hoke-calls-out-nd-for-dropping-rivalry.html

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/9/8/4706320/michigan-vs-notre-dame-chicken-dance

Well, Michigan could have said, “Hey, them’s the breaks, guys.” But who was Notre Dame to claim it didn’t need Michigan? So instead, Michigan coach Brady Hoke said Notre Dame “chickened out”. Hoke is a not a big-ego guy and was probably just having fun with it, but Michigan folks jumped on it. When Michigan beat Notre Dame in Ann Arbor last year, the loudspeakers blasted “The Chicken Dance” afterward."

http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/09/04/michigan-notre-dame-rivalry-ending

These reactions by Michigan are hypocritical and ironic considering Michigan's prior cancellations of the ND series over the decades.

http://www.melfortjournal.com/2014/09/03/irony-drapes-finale-of-heated-notre-dame-michigan-rivalry



Particularly so when it was Michigan who first started talking about ending the annual series with a two year "hiatus":


http://content.usatoday.com/communi...michigan-not-playing-2018-2019/1#.VAjW1PldXTp



"The announcement Wednesday from Michigan that the Wolverines and ND would be taking a hiatus in 2018 and ’19 only surprised Swarbrick in one respect.

“To tell you the truth, I already thought it had been announced,” the Notre Dame athletic director said. “I was caught off-guard by the fact it was news.

“We got a request from (former Michigan AD) Bill Martin, I want to say three years ago, ‘Would you consider this?’ And I said, ‘Sure, as long we can keep the rivalry going afterwards.’ Checked it off my list and never thought about it again.”

ND and Michigan took a break from each other twice in recent years — in 2000-01 when Texas A&M and Nebraska rolled onto the September schedules, and in 1995-96 when the Irish had a home-and-home with Ohio State.

“(Current Michigan AD) Dave Brandon called to talk about future scheduling,” Swarbrick said, “and the 2018-19 issue sort of surfaced for him for the first time. We had already committed the dates, so hence the announcement.”


http://irish.nbcsports.com/2013/05/14/friendly-reminder-michigan-asked-to-stop-nd-series-first/

ND cancelled exactly two games, the same as Michigan did in June, 2012 (three months before Swarbrick did).

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...michigan-not-playing-2018-2019/1#.VAjW1PldXTp



Nonsense back on the "lying to get out of the Michigan series" stuff too. If ND wanted out of a series because it was tough, it wouldn't have replaced Michigan with the likes of Ohio State, Georgia and Texas, among others.

Did you really just take the time to research and post 7 different links to defend ND on a UConn message board? You are now officially more sensitive than the "being 10years older doesn't help" BYU fans.

 

[Irishfan]

That would be literally impossible to project eight years down the road, though. The players that would be on those teams in 2022 are currently between 4th and 8th grades.

Eight years is nothing. We project a lot further out than that. If you're not looking at 4th graders you're missing the boat.