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Message: [QUOTE="upstater, post: 690109, member: 153"] 1. USNews gets all the SUNY's horribly wrong. Don't really know why. Not sure the state really cares either. Look at this: [url]https://www.google.com/search?q=U+buffalo+acceptance+rate&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a[/url] Acceptance rate is decent, SATs are around 1200, research budget is just under $400 million, 30,000 students, AAU school. Whatever USNews is doing, it's doing it wrong. This probably has everything to do with reputation and guidance counselors nationally. USNews will have a piddling school like Clemson ranked high, whereas a school with much higher ranked departments and resources ranked low. I can't really explain it. This is similar to the way that U. Rochester is somehow not well known by guidance counselors (22.5% of the score) but very well known by academics. Maybe western NY is just a hinterland out of the national consciousness. 3. You're right about the small market, and it's not going to grow. For pro sports, the market is much bigger. You have to consider that the market for Conn. is much bigger because it's a two hour drive from one end of the market (northeast) to the other (New London), whereas the Buffalo market is 30 minutes north to the Canadian border (I can do it in 20) and 30 minutes south (i.e. a 1 hour drive north to south), and it only goes 30 minutes east. I commuted to Rochester 60 miles away for a few years. You add that DMA, and things change. But this is only relevant for a pro market since college sports aren't big up here. As well, 20% of the pro sports market in Buffalo comes from Ontario (I only use the Sabres and Bills season ticket base as an example). 4. Western NY is a huge recruiting hotbed for hockey. That's the main sport up here. 5. UB is not committed to growing its sports. All this talk is a fantasy. As for USNews, these are the schools it gets badly wrong, up or down: SHOULD GO DOWN AT LEAST +15 1. Miami 2. Yeshiva 3. Northeastern 4. Fordham 5. BYU 6. Clemson 7. Baylor 8. Clark 9. Marquette 10. Miami, OH (I'm convinced people think this is Miami, FL) 11. Delaware 12. TCU 13. Vermont Q: Why is Marquette national but Villanova or RIT regional? UPS BY 15 AT LEAST: 1. Colorado 2. Cal Santa Cruz 3. UMass 4. Binghamton 5. Buffalo 6. Missouri 7. Loyola 8. NC State 9. Kansas 10. Oklahoma 11. Iowa State 12. Oregon 13. Arizona 14. Temple 15. Illinois-Chicago 16. Ohio U. 17. Cincinnati Most of these schools should be ahead of the downs above. [/QUOTE]

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