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Message: [QUOTE="Exit 4, post: 667741, member: 2268"] My perception is that Buffalo still has a long way to go to move past safety school status. Back in the 90s when I attended it was a huge commuter school, packed with kids who lived at home and treated the place like a community college. The other typical situation was the lazy and lost long island kid who probably scored well on the SAT but was too lazy to push themselves beyond the simple SUNY application. Yes UB2020 is more real than I had realized and its impressive and yes, the state of NY's subsidy is impressive as well. Living and working in the NYC/FF County area for the past 15 years I have seen Uconn's rep improve with both employers and as well as moderate/high income families with with the means to have solid college choices. My observation is tha UConn is increasingly considered a first choice, even with kids near the top of their class. I have not witnessed the same with SUNY Buffalo (my workplace is equally mixed with NYers and CTers). Of course NYC is not the end all for Buffalo grads, I'm just saying for a NY school, it still has a long ways to go bring people around to the ideal its a third choice safety school. And a long ways to go to unite and motivate the alumni to have pride. [/QUOTE]