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Message: [QUOTE="CL82, post: 4708222, member: 44"] Back in the day I coached a travel soccer team that was consistently pretty good. I remember at the start of one season a mom came up to me and thanked me for coaching and talked about "what a great season we had had the prior year." I demurred on that and she looked at me and asked "what?" I said one of our goals for the season was to win our flight and we didn't achieve it so it wasn't a "great" season. She looked at me incredulously and said "we came in second!" My trainer was walking by at the time and he looked up and in his Brit accent said "That's just the first place loser now, isn't it?" She looked back at me and I nodded and she walked off shaking her head. [/QUOTE]