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Message: [QUOTE="CL82, post: 4688207, member: 44"] That's what I called strawman arguments. I they are generally considered disingenuous since you are creating arguments to shoot down. I never talked about the failure to quote lure P5s did I? Now, I did talk about the fact that every single school in the conference wanted to leave the conference every single minute they were a member. Do you know any other organization that can make that claim? Aresco failed miserably as president of the conference. And it seems like the only argument anyone can make in his favor is "well, I doubt anyone else would've done better." Faint praise, indeed. [/QUOTE]