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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 3055577, member: 5174"] [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100506560911032320']3h3 hours ag[/URL] Earlier I was a bit over the top about the Big 12 - Pac 12 whatever we should call it. I did learn about the proposal more than a month ago and I've stayed on top of it since. Like everyone else I'm skeptical as to how it would actually work. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100507106573254661']3h3 hours ago[/URL] The most important takeaway is that the Big 12 is no longer a static conference - the cold war between Oklahoma and Texas is over. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100507262551027712']3h3 hours ago[/URL] The Big 12, lead by Dr. Gee, is looking to redefine the revenue model for college sports so that all those involved, including student-athletes, benefit. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100507632027209729']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Based on what I know, the proposal on the table isn't perfect, but they have six years to perfect it. There are no guarantees, but at least the Big 12 and Pac 12 are talking and exploring how they can work together to solve their mutual issues. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100507975440044032']2h2 hours ago[/URL] There really is no other option for either the Big 12 or the Pac 12. Each has unique issues that seem insurmountable unless they collaborate. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100508540572221442']2h2 hours ago[/URL] If DAZN is going to overpay for to share in TV rights they are going to want enough content to justify the expense and a ten member Big 12 doesn't deliver enough content - so with the door shut on expanding with G5 programs the only place the Big 12 could turn is the Pac 12. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100508811092123648']2h2 hours ago[/URL] The Pac 12 has its own unique issues. It has a time zone problem, a revenue problem and other issues that make the partnership with the Big 12 the only viable solution. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100509037748203520']2h2 hours ago[/URL] It's in the best interests of both conferences to find a way to work together. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100509569187528704']2h2 hours ago[/URL] As for the Big 12 its implausible to think Texas and Oklahoma have not given their blessing to exploring a relationship. Fans of both programs may like to believe otherwise but the truth is that the Longhorns and Sooners have a great thing with the Big 12. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100510105211154433']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Some type of relationship with the Pac 12 gives both OU the cachet of association with the top tier of academic schools they crave. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100510569155739652']2h2 hours ago[/URL] We could also see the T3 broadcast rights of everyone but Texas purchased by DAZN who bundles those rights with rebroadcast of the football and basketball from P12N. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100510978905645056']2h2 hours ago[/URL] As for WVU... the partnership with the Pac 12 would make Big 12 membership unsustainable in the long run without subsidies. If this relationship comes to fruition I expect WVU to land in the ACC. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100511377935028225']2h2 hours ago[/URL] In the event that WVU doesn't land in the ACC I would expect the Big 12 to exempt the Mountaineers from playing Pac 12 schools and perhaps even gift WVU with an additional travel subsidy. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100511994795515904']2h2 hours ago[/URL] The money being invested by ESPN in the ACCN and the potential investment of ESPN and a partner such as DAZN gives them clout with the conferences. I expect ESPN to facilitate WVU's entry into the ACC sooner rather than later with the Big 12's blessing. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100512338023714821']2h2 hours ago[/URL] I want to make a point of saying that no one at WVU has said anything to me about the ACC. WVU is very happy in the Big 12 and its been a mutually beneficial relationship. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100513135906246656']2h2 hours ago[/URL] My "informed opinion" that WVU will be an ACC member is based on my conversations with industry experts and others. Personally, as much as I love the Big 12, I believe that ACC membership is best for the Mountaineers. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100513683803959296']2h2 hours ago[/URL] We who support Big 12 programs should be comforted that, for the first time in a long time, the Big 12 is acting with unity to secure its profitability and long-term future. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100514140836245504']2h2 hours ago[/URL] The other 8 members of the Big 12 can bitch and moan about OU and UT all we like... but we should recognize their desire to work together with the rest of the conf to ensure the Big 12 survives and thrives. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100514287880228864']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Finally, Gordon Gee is the GOAT. [USER=859931443337809920]Julius Johnson‏ @JuliusJ85224635[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635/status/1100512437093261312']2h2 hours ago[/URL] I don’t understand what 1 has to do with the other.There is no connection. Why would ACC invite us just because Big12 & PAC Commissioners got drunk together and came up with some sort of merger? ACC will act independently of PAC & Big 12.ND has no desire to move off of INDY FB. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100514440804552704']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=859931443337809920]@JuliusJ85224635[/USER] ESPN... [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100515386758492161']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] Greg, Dr. Gee is the chair of the Big 12's executive committee. It's his job to secure the future of the conf. WVU isn't unhappy with the Big 12. It's the geography that's the issue. So engineering the plan that secures the conf is something Gee and WVU want to do. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100515917237309440']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] Honorable people act honorably. Gee has stepped in and became the leader of the Big 12. He's the one who's calmed the waters and managed to get all 10 programs on the same page. If this works... my bet is that the Big 12 would let WVU walk early and with their blessing. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100516257454063623']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] It's one thing to leave a conf in a huff... like Neb and UMD... its another to part as friends with the realization the relationship was mutually beneficial but not ultimately sustainable. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100516665144545287']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] Finally, many don't know that you are the one who set me on the path to research GoRs, value and all things expansion. It was because of the fear you generated that Texas would pull out of the Big 12 that I've spent the last 8 years researching and making contacts. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100517043491799041']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] Everything I've learned, all the people I've came to know and trust, they all say the same thing. There's not going to be more realignment. The economics don't support it and the networks oppose it. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100517184588128256']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] But yet Gee says there will be... [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100517345326444550']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] The proposed partnership between the Big 12 and he Pac 12 is the only viable option for both. As for WVU, everybody would understand if the Mountaineers transferred from the Big 12 to the ACC. Nobody would be against it... especially ESPN. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100518056562970624']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] But you are missing the ACC component. ACC is not expanding to 16 without Notre Dame. Notre Dame is not interested. Next expanded FB playoffs will have at least 3 spots available to non conference champs..if not all 8. ACC is not expanding in 2025. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100518294354886658']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] Let me point out that I believe when I first mentioned this was in the works you panned the idea. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100518822002520064']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] What idea did I panned? [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100518523456106497']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] I'm not a fraud. I don't have an insider who bestows knowledge upon me or claims to know the inner workings of other conferences. I've worked hard since 2011 to understand the landscape and the factors at play. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100518928407818240']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] I've made contacts with access to real information and I've earned their respect by understanding the issues and by keeping my mouth shut when asked. It's to the point where I can ask a question and get it answered. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100519329400061954']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] Ok Chris. But ACC is not expanding without Notre Dame. Are you saying your contacts believe Notre Dame is ready to take the ACC Football plunge and join the Conference in Football? [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100519439747989507']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] So please... if you are interested in legitimate discussion the benefits and drawbacks of any Big 12 - Pac 12 collusion I'm game for civil discourse. If you insist that UT and OU are not on the bus with the rest of the Big 12 then we're both wasting our time because I know better [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100520825365676032']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] We are having a civil discourse. But I don’t agree that there is unity in Big 12. You hint from time to time yourself there may be trouble up ahead unless Big 12 does some reforms for beyond 2025. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100519872604319744']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] Gordon Gee would never chase this rabbit down a wormhole without the full blessing of the two programs that control the future of the conference. And you, as a B1G guy, should know how capable Dr. Gee is at machinations. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100520343666593792']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] Here's where I remind you that Dr. Gee played a vital role in orchestrating many of the B1G moves you are so proud of. It's Dr. Gee's hand at the helm that's guiding this ship and based on his track record it will reach port and find treasure. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100521528398172160']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] But in the article itself it said this attempt was not sponsored by Big 12...and Bowlsby said in article the 3 non-con games is not practical. There is no evidence OU & UT has any interest in any scheduling alliance with PAC. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100522333792600064']2h2 hours a[/URL] Could PAC & Big 12 do 1 game non-conference scheduling alliance?...sure. Would that actually increase the value of both Big 12 or PAC Tier 1/2 value? Probably not since most schools would just replace a P5 slot Non-Con with a PAC P5 Non-Con in their future scheduling. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100559365747150850']31m31 minutes ago[/URL] I’m not going to discuss the Big 12’s next TV deal or any potential/possible/probable relationship/partnership with the Big 12. There’s just too much hay to cut between hither & yither & more than one copperhead waiting for a single misstep. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100560174505447429']29m29 minutes ago[/URL] My final word on the matter is this... some type of merger of TV rights that produces the quantity & quality of inventory is the only viable cure for both the Big 12 & Pac 12. They have an opportunity to jump out ahead of the curve. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100560708843044864']26m26 minutes ago[/URL] Fortune follows the brave & the bold. I hope the powers that be in Dallas & San Francisco can set aside their egos & go boldly where no conference has gone before. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100560844272947201']26m26 minutes ago[/URL] As for WVU... whatever happens the Mountaineers will be more than ok. No worries. [/QUOTE]

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