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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 3055233, member: 5174"] [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100438650486169602']2h2 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://post original url/fhbxIo6Yle']https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/02/26/former-big-12-president-proposes-strategic-alliance-with-the-pac-12-the-conferences-should-embrace-the-future-together/ …[/URL] There is so much to unpack here.. 1) Gee thinks this is a brilliant idea? If he does..then he isn’t hiding his worry about Big 12 past 2025 very well. 2) Gee doesn’t believe(and neither do most people involved in both conferences)merger is possible. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100443753729441792']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Why would Gee be interested in having an scheduling alliance with PAC?...having all 3 non-con games with PAC? Gee is looking to increase value of Big 12 content before Big12 next TV negotiations. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100444193158238209']2h2 hours ago[/URL] But the punch line to this all...Sooners & Longhorns would scoff at this proposal. Big 12 unity is still so far away... [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100442799722414080']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Let me crow a bit... who told you about this Big 12 - Pac 12 media merger alliance a month ago? Let's see... who could it have been... IT WAS ME!!!!! [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100443848612986880']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Big stuff people... I'm not sure why the Big 12 and Pac 12 people are not more excited. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100444961420599301']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] Because there is no unity in the Big 12. Because this proposal shows once again, through the honesty of Gee, some in Big 12 know they need to increase value of B12 content before next TV/Media negotiations. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100445332331212801']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] Ah, no... and WVU likely will not be part of that merger. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100446015038124032']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] Gee is a visionary leader. The quasi merger with the Pac 12 is a chance to stabilize both conference far into the future and... if they parter with DAZN might be the first to monetize fan base/fan loyalty. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100446889739280385']2h2 hours ago[/URL] All 3 non-con games? All 3? This has no chance of Oklahoma or Texas even considering this proposal. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100447800435843072']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] They are... sorry.... don't tell me what I know or don't know. Everybody in the Big 12 is on board with this... nobody wants to leave - except maybe WVU for obvious reasons. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100448215789387778']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Everybody is on board with this?...all 3 non con games playing vs PAC? Oklahoma & Texas are not on board. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100449326193668097']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] You know that? Like you knew this was happening? Let me be very clear on this point. This is sanctioned by everyone in the Big 12 and especially by Texas and Oklahoma. It would not, could not, have progressed without their approval. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100449970539380743']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] Tell me how you know OU and UT are not on board? I know for a fact that Texas is certainly on board. I know that OU has given its blessing. BECAUSE THEY GET TO KEEP THEIR KINGDOM AND GET AS MUCH MONEY AS THE SEC/B1G. Why would they not "be on board". [USER=525708894]J. Michael Young‏ @JMichaelYoung1[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/JMichaelYoung1/status/1100452958381244418']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] Because it limits their scheduling flexibility. I’m imagine Texas is ok with agreeing to one such game a year. But not three. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100453183007219713']1h1 hour ago[/URL] You need to stop and think of the money that would be involved. Texas doesn't like playing outside of Texas... but california isn't far away. [USER=525708894]J. Michael Young‏ @JMichaelYoung1[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/JMichaelYoung1/status/1100455749409538048']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Texas has no problem playing outside of Texas. Believe me, I’ve had plenty of great road trips over the years. The AD knows donors want those trips. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100456462797729797']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Recents schedules don't show it... This potential deal with the Pac 12 gives OU and UT the same money and bragging rights as the SEC and B1G while getting to run their own conference. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100460115730358272']47m47 minutes ago[/URL] Just read WVU 247 Board and there is no support from the posters for this plan. Just read 2 PAC school boards and they are strongly against the plan as well. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100460739842789377']45m45 minutes ago[/URL] Read all the boards you want. I don't. I talk to the people involved. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100451682419396610']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] Its in the article Dude. “*** For competitive reasons, the head coaches wouldn’t agree to play every non-conference game against Power Five opponents. Nor would the Big 12 athletic directors agree to commit every non-conference opening to teams from the Pac-12, and vice versa.” [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100451811545284609']1h1 hour ago[/URL] I know more than the article. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100452446139232256']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] Let me point out the plan is being worked out. the heart of the deal would be a combining of the media rights for both conferences in preparation for the next TV deal. Specifics will change, but both Texas and OU are all in.... [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100452408503820288']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofW[B]V[/B][/USER] Could PAC & Big 12 come to terms in regards to a scheduling alliance which commits to 1 non-con game a year?....sure. But there is no way on God’s green Earth Oklahoma or Texas would ever agree to all 3 non-con games being played vs PAC schools. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100452853674663936']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Really? The details will be worked out. that's not the big point of the plan anyway. The deal combines media rights. You might even see ESPN engineer the ACC and SEC into the scenario. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100453513564434432']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Of course big point of this particular plan was including all 3 non-con games..this is what the article is all about. As for combining Media rights.. Interesting idea but PAC would have to make major adjustments to their distribution model before this could even be discussed. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100454029476413442']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] Well, read between the lines. A new TV deal is the perfect time to fix a broken model. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100454371899441153']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] This either happens or the Big 12 poaches two from the Pac 12. The Pac 12 knows this... [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100455564805582848']1h1 hour ago[/URL] I know you’ve been expressing this idea of Big 12 poaching 2 PAC schools. But keep in mind. 1) If PAC Schls sign deal with Investment Firm (create PAC-CO) Big 12 wont be able to poach PAC Schls. 2) Arizona State’s current President won’t go Big 12 and leave PAC. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100456026204180480']1h1 hour ago[/URL] You know this how? Maybe it's not the arizona schools the Big 12 would poach. Maybe its another school or two? I can't say all that I know.. .just let it play out. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100455732376489984']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] There is no doubt in my mind that both OU and UT want to the Big 12 to thrive and will be the flagship members for many, many years to come. If the Big 12-Pac 12 sign the deal I expect with ESPN/DAZN it will be one of the largest in history. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100453823771013131']1h1 hour ag[/URL] Replying to [USER=525708894]@JMichaelYoung1[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] Forget about the scheduling for now... the point is a combined media rights deal with ESPN and somebody like DAZN. Games broadcast worldwide. It's likely WVU leaves, BU is dropped and Arizona & Arizona State slide over to the Big 12 side. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100454724388745217']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Ok Chris...but my tweets are based on the article, which is about the 3 non-con games. Never going to happen. The article also says EX Kansas State President quickly dismissed the idea of Big 12 trying to add Arizona & Arizona State. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100454923714596865']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=525708894]@JMichaelYoung1[/USER] yea... they want this deal to happen. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100455313214443521']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=525708894]@JMichaelYoung1[/USER] Greg, I know you want to believe the B1G somehow lands OU and UT, but it's not happening. How did I know about this a month ago? I know more I can't write about because it was OTR. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100455999339675648']1h1 hour ago[/URL] You keep saying this..but it’s not true. B1G is targeting these schools. But these schools (UT/OU) have many viable options and for now keeping the exit ramps clear for a future change. Not necessarily B1G. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100457540603793408']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Bullshit Greg... we both know that the B1G isn't targeting anyone. Texas is locked down by ESPN until 2035 and the B1G said no to OU in 2011. Stop lying about that. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100447335665074177']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Sorry Christopher. This proposal is an honest stab for Big 12 to increase leverage going into next TV/Media negotiations...but it’s not going anywhere and it only pulled the curtain on the worries going into 2025 for Gee and some others in Big 12 Conf. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100447553009664001']2h2 hours ago[/URL] I would think the guy who knew about it a month ago would know more about it than your opinion. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100447787890679808']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] And if WVU would not be part of this new arrangement as you say...why would Gee be the one supporting it? [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100448961566048256']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] Gee is chair of the Big 12's executive committee. It's his job to make this work. The Big 12 - Pac 12 is going to have a partnership with ESPN, DAZN & Leerfield IMG College that will push Big 12 revenue equal to that of the SEC & B1G. Perhaps more. [USER=33290770]Randy D‏ @cubsgop[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/cubsgop/status/1100450428989390849']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] I'm guessing USC ain't giving up their game with Notre Dame. Neither is Stanford [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100450862080626691']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Why not? What does it do for them? It benefits ND more than either of those schools. The money the Big 12 and Pac 12 would get from this would be astronomical. [USER=208878148]Trip Manfro ‏ @pfac51[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/pfac51/status/1100460600726077440']55m55 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] iowa state fan on board with quitting the iowa game? [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100461104373866498']53m53 minutes ago[/URL] I think details will be worked out. I think if the Big 12 is distributing $50-55M per member they will say "thank you sir may I have another." [USER=208878148]Trip Manfro ‏ @pfac51[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/pfac51/status/1100461552786907138']51m51 minutes ago[/URL] i have been an advocate for 2 on and 2 off years for iowa/ iowa state. there is certainly an out clause for "additional conf football games" that Iowa could have executed when the conf went to 9 games. iowa didn't. big12 wants that B1G level money. i don't disagree. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100446210689826817']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] The combined rights along with a concurrent streaming deal with DAZN means the B12-P12 hybrid likely is on par with B1G and SEC. [USER=208878148]Trip Manfro ‏ @pfac51[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/pfac51/status/1100460373889740803']59m59 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] remember when the B1G and Pac12 had a football scheduling alliance? [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100462198793605120']52m52 minutes ago[/URL] Yep..the B1G/PAC proposal was for 1 non-con game. Not 3. Not all 3. This is what the article was talking about. This is why people weren’t jumping for joy in PAC & Big 12 when Christopher asked why they weren’t earlier today. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100461371488120839']58m58 minutes ago[/URL] Don't argue with me about the merits of the proposed marriage of the Big 12 and Pac 12. It's not perfect. Details need to be hashed out. It's not going to lock down all 3 OoC games in the final version... if it happens. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1100462701766152193']53m53 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] Likely wouldn’t include all current B12 schools. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1100463136002531328']51m51 minutes ago[/URL] Yep. And because it wouldn’t include all Big 12 schools the PAC won’t see the value of this deal. [USER=386000905]hristopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100468168643014659']31m31 minutes ago[/URL] WVU and Baylor... WVU to the ACC and Baylor dropped. [USER=386208273]Jake‏ @jakesportstake[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/jakesportstake/status/1100461656386166784']58m58 minutes ago[/URL] So are you saying that the P12 and B12 will both schedule 9 conf games and then the 3 non conf games will only be vs each other? There are multiple reasons this won’t happen 1. Notre Dame plays Stanford and USC every year. 2. B12 teams want east coast games for recruiting [USER=386208273]Jake‏ @jakesportstake[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/jakesportstake/status/1100462526448295939']55m55 minutes ago[/URL] 3. Middle to bottom tier schools rely on cupcake games to become bowl eligible. 12 P5 games means less bowl eligible teams. 4. Top P5 programs rely on having 7 home games every year. OU, UT etc won’t sign off on something that sacrifices the 7th home game [USER=386208273]Jake‏ @jakesportstake[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/jakesportstake/status/1100463397970239488']53m53 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386208273]@jakesportstake[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] and 2 others 5. 12 teams vs 10 teams doesn’t work. B12 would need to expand to 12 for it to work [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100461949777776640']58m58 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386208273]@jakesportstake[/USER] [USER=525708894]@JMichaelYoung1[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] Don't argue with me about the merits of the proposed marriage of the Big 12 and Pac 12. It's not perfect. Details need to be hashed out. It's not going to lock down all 3 OoC games in the final version... if it happens. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100468635846496261']32m32 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386208273]@jakesportstake[/USER] [USER=525708894]@JMichaelYoung1[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] Look, this proposed marriage is about money. It's no different than the B1G adding Rutgers and UMD except there is room and time to massage the deal until everyone gets a happy ending. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100461736627503106']1h1 hour ago[/URL] What the proposed relationship does is almost guarantee both conference pull even with the SEC and B1G in terms of money. It would secure both long term. [USER=356403860]LAT‏ @letsgomtnrs[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/letsgomtnrs/status/1100468353163059200']35m35 minutes ago[/URL] You know far more about this than I do.... But other that USC, Washington and Stanford (when they're good) I just don't see it. Of course the PAC12 people probably say other than UT and OU they don't see it... [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100470816188321800']27m27 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=356403860]@letsgomtnrs[/USER] Personally I don't think the Pac 12 plays real football... lol... Here's what I think... ESPN and DAZN are pushing this from behind. It takes inventory away from Fox, it locks down both the Big 12 and Pac 12 and gives DAZN streaming content it needs. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100450536023883777']2h2 hours ago[/URL] By the way...I love the Big 12, but any merger by the Big 12/Pac 12 would mean WVU is headed to the ACC (most likely) or SEC by 2026. [USER=46939993]David Lyons‏ @dlyons2009[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/dlyons2009/status/1100451451934003209']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] AAC [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1100451666254536705']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Wrong... why do people doubt me... ME: Champagne dreams, Chris. Champagne dreams. The "bargaining phase" may have just begun in earnest. [/QUOTE]

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