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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 3039966, member: 5174"] [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1094698599890460673']Feb 10[/URL] BTM: The Judges decision will be known soon. The decision will be appealed no matter which way it goes. But if the decision and remedy goes the way I think it will, it will create an earthquake which will go right through the lands of both P5 and G5. [USER=1083100720621072384]WVInsiders‏ @InsidersWv[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/InsidersWv/status/1096072994949160966']12h12 hours ago[/URL] Isn't it true that any school that receives a subsidy - other than the cost of attendance accounting entry - is vulnerable if the Plaintiff wins the Alston case. Programs like Minnesota's which will receive over $10M in athletic subsidies? [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096074424950898689']13h13 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][S]@[/S][B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] is firing off questions to me this morning on Twitter. It’s ok Christopher, you can ask me questions using your normal twitter account. You don’t need to ask questions using one of your many alt accounts. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096075267855003649']13h13 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][S]@[/S][B]theDudeofWV[/B][/URL] I will answer your Minnesota & Big Ten question first. The last revenue numbers you see posted on USA Today websiteis from July 1st, 2016 to June 30th, 2017. These revenue numbers for Big Ten schools still include the Big Ten 1&2 Tier Media Deal from 2006. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096075917015822342']13h13 hours ago[/URL] The next revenue numbers you will see posted on USA Today this spring will actually be the first revenue numbers for the Big Ten using their new Tier 1&2 contracts of 2017 to 2022. You will see huge revenue jumps for all Big Ten Universities. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096076538578124801']13h13 hours ago[/URL] Now for your Minnesota question. You must have missed Christopher the MN AD report out last week showing Minnesota revenue up to 126 million with 10 million in profit without any subsidy included in the report. Go read my time line for last week. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096076997200146432']13h13 hours ago[/URL] As for ACC....yes Christopher, they will have heated debates within the conference if Alston case goes for the plaintiffs. But the ACC GOR keeps them together, as you know, well into the next decade and a half. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096077626337357824']13h13 hours ago[/URL] As for PAC Christopher, their revenue issues are deep. But for now they are looking at gambling and staying together through the next media negotiations which will start for them late 2021 into early 2022. Taking a bridge loan through investment firm seems to be their next step. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096078330854600705']13h13 hours ago[/URL] As for Big 12...their bottom is financially weak. Conference has very little unity. Texas & Oklahoma are officially targets of SEC & Big Ten. GOR is up July 1st, 2025. Can Kansas State get at compensation level which Sooners & Longhorns approve of? [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096078898499149824']13h13 hours ago[/URL] Finally Christopher, There is advantages to having a smaller conference of 10 schools..there are advantages to having a larger conference (14-16). The advantages of being part of a smaller conference will dwindle going into next media negotiations. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096079215429148672']12h12 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1083100720621072384]@InsidersWv[/USER] I answered your questions under [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][S]@[/S]theDudeofWV[/URL] You can forward me questions using your normal twitter account. Nice to hear from you again. [MEDIA=twitter]1096081314963431425[/MEDIA] [USER=1083100720621072384]WVInsiders‏ @InsidersWv[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/InsidersWv/status/1096080444813180928']12h12 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] So funny that your BTM shared with you information written about for the past four years.. except for OU and UT to the B1G... you are the only one saying that. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1096081550188470273']12h12 hours ago[/URL] Expect a B12/P12 merger of 2-4 schools from B12 to get a new deal. Whether or not any of those schools is Oklahoma or Texas will depend on what type of deal they get. Will the B10 allow Texas to bring along Tech is the question. Will the SEC pursue OU? would the B10 target KU? [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096082205376425992']12h12 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] [USER=1083100720621072384]@InsidersWv[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] P12 schools are going to get that bridge loan from an investment firm. When they do so each individual school in PAC will sign away any ability to move to another conference. PAC schools are still gambling on themselves. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096171405081804800']6h6 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] [USER=1083100720621072384]@InsidersWv[/USER] Right... a bridge loan. 1. They already have a GoR in place. 2. Any potential bridge loan would cover up to the expiration of the GoR & not beyond. That’s why it’s unlikely they get a bridge loan. [USER=1323511196]Mark Kochenderfer‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/1096166425213980672']6h6 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] and 2 others I was about to say that is impossible. The top schools in that conference can’t possibly be that stupid. Then I look back at what’s happened in the Pac 12 in the last 10 years and at USC in particular… [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096168870572900357']6h6 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 2 others Looking at finances as the driving factor its just as likely tOSU & Michigan head to the SEC because of Alston v NCAA as UT & OU to the B1G. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096168094551212033']6h6 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 2 others However to say that OU & UT would leave the Big 12 because of the Alston case doesn’t account for the fact that more B1G schools would balk at pay-for-play than would B12 schools. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096167357599354883']6h6 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 2 others A merger of 2-4 Big 12 schools with the Pac 12 is suicide. Now 8 Big 12 schools or a merger of TV rights is possible with WVU going to the ACC or SEC & BU being dropped. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096168431739699200']6h6 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 2 others Especially if Flugar is counting on BTN money. That revenue model is becoming outdated quickly. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096187601441247232']5h5 hours ago[/URL] BTN money is flat. Tier 1&2 money is where Big Ten and SEC will both see large increases in their next Media negotiations just like last Media negotiations. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096216734305083393']3h3 hours ago[/URL] SEC will because its undervalued. B1G will not. The product isnt that great. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096218169201569792']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 3 others B1G is top heavy. tOSU, PSU, UM, Wisc, & MSTU account for 96% of OTA TV ratings. The rest don’t come close to the B12’s avg on comparable platforms. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096218706131202048']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 3 others The SEC has the oldest & cheapest TV deal in CFB with CBS. Its only because its seriously undervalued that the SEC will see a huge jump. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096219379707060227']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 3 others Plus, Only the ACC has had money added to their primary TV deal with expansion & that was a paltry $2M per that required a long term extension. The SEC, B1G & P12’s TV partners refused to add money. Only so many OTA windows available. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1096219113268088833']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 2 others NEB brought in the highest rated game of the year. WISC and MSU don't. Once NEB gets it going with Frost that will be 4 Big time teams. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096219470555742208']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Forgot Neb. Add them to the list. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1096218743838072843']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 2 others The SEC and B10 are not in "outdated" revenue models. They create the model. Just like the NFL has. Those 2 leagues have advantages that will always give them a monetary advantage over everyone else. The rest of CFB does not have the alumni or interest to keep up. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096219663971901441']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] and 2 others Big Ten Alumni is spread out all over the country. They dispersed...so it gives Big Ten to hold value for Media outside of Big Ten Country. Big Ten value is gold to FOX. FOX will pay enormous price in next go-around. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1096220148317466625']3h3 hours ago[/URL] B10 is huge on the west coast. Especially Arizona and California. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1096219862274400257']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] and 3 others The primary issue with the P12 is 2 NFL teams suddenly jumping into its primary TV market. The last time that happened the P12 nearly collapsed and Texas was rumored to be joining (1992). We've seen this before but this time the NFL teams aren't leaving. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096220028507209730']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] and 2 others It didn’t help the P12 that is for sure. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1096221212253003778']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Look at conference championship ratings. It's the B10 SEC and no one else is hardly ever close unless they have a miracle matchup like OU Texas [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096222246660702208']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] and 2 others FOX is going all in on Big Ten Content. ESPN is all in on SEC & ACC. Big 12 has a future distribution choke point issue unless somebody else steps up...an Amazon for example. Small footprint is catching up to Big 12. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096173007251349505']6h6 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 2 others L. Scott mentioned a bridge loan. There are no plans to attempt one. Several issues make such a financing deal difficult. What’s the collateral? Future earnings? What about sovereign immunity? The Pac 12 owns nothing of value. Its members TV rights cant be collateralized. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096185590398230529']5h5 hours ago[/URL] The collateral will be future Tier 1&2 earnings. And yes, there is plans for PAC to get upfront money from investors firm. Will they get it? Is it a good idea? I personally don’t think so. But PAC is unified enough to attempt this idea of Bridge Loan, giving 10% of their equity. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096174260849131520']6h6 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 2 others Plus, the P12’s revenue problems are just symptoms of the real issue. Football just isnt as popular in California as it was & the trend isn’t encouraging. What’s left is the B12 without its flagships. Plus that pacific timezone. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096186798940803072']5h5 hours ago[/URL] True. Football is not as popular in California. P12 have major issues. I can’t imagine why Scott is so confident about the upcoming PAC/Media negotiations starting in late 2021. But the 12 Universities are still unified. Big 12 schools are showing no unification at this point. [USER=1323511196]Mark Kochenderfer‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/1096191087864176641']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Not sure how you can say that with the degree of grumbling coming out of those schools. And that is just what we get to hear. I’m sure they will all unite and fire Larry Scott. But the bottom line is pac12 just doesn’t work economically. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096169635102236674']6h6 hours ago[/URL] Let me point out here that what Flugar claims his BTM told him is less than what’s been written by [URL='https://twitter.com/McCannSportsLaw'][S]@[/S][B]McCannSportsLaw[/B][/URL] & others. He just used Alston v NCAA to reframe his 7 year claim that UT & OU are headed to the Big Ten. He’s been spinning that yarn for SEVEN YEARS! [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096185047261032451']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] and 3 others Christopher makes some good points. But BTM has stated for years OK is a target for Big Ten..mutual interest. UT has just become a target. But SEC will also be targeting both. No, OU & UT to Big Ten is no lock. Absolutely not. [USER=1323511196]Mark Kochenderfer‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/1096192209190297600']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] and 3 others That is not correct. Texas is not a new target.Texas was a prime target for the big 10 in 1990s when B12 formed. in 2011 Texas was approached again hence the famous “tech problem” email. I am sure they have perpetually been at the top of the big 10’s wish list. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096216024930766848']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 3 others ESPN owns all of UT’s rights until 2035. They would never allow UT to go the B1G. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096216525332144128']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [USER=1286343007]@flugempire[/USER] and 3 others Plus let me remind everyone that the B1G could have had OU, KU & Mizzou in 2010/11 and passed. B1G has no interest in OU. Texas has absolutely zero interest in the B1G. Longhorns have an open invitation anywhere they like, but for UT its the Big 12 or indy. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096218533724344320']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] and 3 others Big Ten didn’t pass on OU. But they did their homework. Big Ten was always going East in their expansion of 13 & 14. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1096220845284958208']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Here's my best guess. OU and Texas will NOT be in the B12 in 2025.......because the B12 won't exist. Where they go and who they go with.....a mystery. I think they head West unless the B10 and SEC pay them not to. [USER=1323511196]Mark Kochenderfer‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/1096221642781585408']3h3 hours ago[/URL] No way they head west. That would be a death for their programs. Look at the PAC 12 TV ratings. Oklahoma and Texas would hurt themselves terribly join the conference anchored in that area. Less people care about college sports there than anywhere in America. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1096222788418002946']3h3 hours ago[/URL] So OU and Texas would kill themselves being in an 8 team PAC South with Arizona schools and USC\UCLA? or B10 West with Nebraska and Chicago Minneapolis region with 1 time zone? They wouldn't. Keep in mind permanent crossovers and you can see the $. ESPN\FOX benefits each way [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1096175468292853760']6h6 hours ago[/URL] And the NCAA will certainly appeal a loss in Alston v NCAA. It may be 10 years after the judge’s decision for the matter to be solved & its likely the NCAA gets a stay while its being adjudicated. [USER=1286343007]Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/1096185932674404352']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] [USER=1323511196]@MarkKochenderfe[/USER] and 2 others Yes, appeal will happen. It won’t take 10 years. [IMG]https://66.media.tumblr.com/257ef6d16a055b8842c0d0e8ab34c3b5/tumblr_mrxye9kXWm1sqwk90o1_500.gif[/IMG] [/QUOTE]

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