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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 2952829, member: 5174"] [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071892900559183876']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Sports Biz Daily had an article on possible future expansion. It was all conjecture except this quote: “My sense is that nobody wants to upset the applecart this time around,” one executive said.” [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071893379846414336']5h5 hours ago[/URL] What that means is simple. ESPN and Fox want the Big 12 intact. They will pay to keep the conf at 10 or allow Arizona & Arizona State move over. Increases money for both B12 & P12. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071894118123651072']5h5 hours ago[/URL] No expansion happens without the blessing of TV partners. Both ESPN & Fox have made it clear that they will not pay for or sanction the SEC or B1G approaching UT or OU. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071894677794758656']5h5 hours ago[/URL] The Sports Biz Daily story also referenced diminishing returns for expansion. That means if the B1G or SEC would add any B1G school that everyone in the conference would see their share decrease. Profits are so high now that only UT or ND would produce a ROI. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071896073457885185']5h5 hours ago[/URL] So the next time some yahoo claims a B1G exec told him that the B1G will target OU or UT remember the people who pay for expansion do not want either to leave the Big 12. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071896419882156034']5h5 hours ago[/URL] The days of cable carriage fees paying for expansion are over. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071898657585332224']5h5 hours ago[/URL] One caveat to this expansion stuff... I understand SEC would take OU and ESPN wants WVU in the ACC. There’s a slim chance the B12 adds the Arizona schools & WVU leaves for the ACC while Baylor gets dropped. OU doesn’t have much interest in SEC unless Texas does something stupid [USER=376017032]Billy‏ @TxBornSooner[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/TxBornSooner/status/1071897088324194304']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Why Would OU stay in the Texas League if they could Leave? [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071897722108678148']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=376017032]@TxBornSooner[/USER] Money. Playoffs, big dog in conference with much sway. You want less money? [USER=376017032]Billy‏ @TxBornSooner[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/TxBornSooner/status/1071898098526576640']5h5 hours ago[/URL] They would have Money anywhere. They are a Big draw. The power is a big deal. But it cant be harder to win the Pac than the Big12 [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071898991313465345']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Look at the P12. OU complains about 11 am kickoffs. [USER=376017032]Billy‏ @TxBornSooner[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/TxBornSooner/status/1071899554088448002']5h5 hours ago[/URL] 11am kickoffs every week when youre in CST trying to recruit West Coast kids is a pain. 11am PST is cool. Its 2 hrs later. 3 for East coast kids. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071903144655892482']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Try 9 am kickoffs. Think coverage maps & timezones. [USER=110603267]samnite‏ @Novasheikh[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/Novasheikh/status/1071902963046723589']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Has the ACC reconsidered its anti-WVU stance? I thought WVU's academics were a deal breaker last go around [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071903556444274688']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=110603267]@Novasheikh[/USER] That was before the UNC scandal, adding Louisville & the fact that WVU’s existing rivalries with a host of ACC schools is one way ESPN can justify paying so much for ACCN. [USER=474321083]JayBirdLewis‏ @WestBGVirginian[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/WestBGVirginian/status/1071928383855099904']3h3 hours ago[/URL] ESPN wasn’t in favor of WVU to ACC the first go round. I’m curious as to your take on what has changed since. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071951745625059330']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Yes they were. It was UNC & Duke that blocked WVU. ESPN thought that WVU & Pitt going to the ACC would have killed the Big East. ESPN is the primary reason why WVU is in the Big 12. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071903751512961024']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=110603267]@Novasheikh[/USER] Plus since then WVU has achieved top tier research status & Jim Clements became Prez at Clemson. [USER=110603267]samnite‏ @Novasheikh[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/Novasheikh/status/1071911962760634369']4h4 hours ago[/URL] So you think they push for ND and WVU to become the 15th and 16th all-sports members? [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071912293166972929']4h4 hours ago[/URL] ND is key. The fact ND made the playoffs hurts WVU, but the money ESPN would make with WVU in the ACC is undeniable. [USER=110603267]samnite‏ @Novasheikh[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/Novasheikh/status/1071915777635377152']4h4 hours ago[/URL] ND made it but had to go undefeated. I don't think that will be sustainable long term for them with their schedule especially with no CCG bump available. Maybe ND becomes more receptive to joining fulltime by the time expansion comes up again. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071916372551237632']4h4 hours ago[/URL] ND will refuse because it benefits WVU. Hopefully ACCN struggles early and ESPN gets nervous and makes ACC go to 15. [USER=110603267]samnite‏ @Novasheikh[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/Novasheikh/status/1071919178838433792']4h4 hours ago[/URL] You mean make the ACC add WVU before convincing ND to become an all-sports 16th member? [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071919406622621696']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Just my wishful thinking. [USER=110603267]samnite‏ @Novasheikh[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/Novasheikh/status/1071920675965804544']3h3 hours ago[/URL] I thought you said ESPN wanted to keep the B12 intact though. Wouldn't pushing WVU to the ACC destabilize the B12 too much? [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071953406682636288']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Nope. The Big 12 is OU & UT. Don’t get me wrong the B12 has been good to WVU & its been mutually beneficial but WVU in the ACC means resumption of old BE rivalries & matchups with regional foes that translates into ratings & butts in seats. [USER=2290337563]OU Boom!!!‏ @asbell_tony[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/asbell_tony/status/1071898479776034816']5h5 hours ago[/URL] AZ and ASU will never move to the Big12. Never. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071898790737690630']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Why do you think that? [USER=2290337563]OU Boom!!!‏ @asbell_tony[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/asbell_tony/status/1071899317584052224']5h5 hours ago[/URL] They identify w the PAC. I live in AZ. Not a single ASU or UA fan that I know would accept such a move. They don’t want to travel to the Midwest for away games. PAC has higher academic standards and more athletic sports. Won’t happen. They would revolt. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071904157395767296']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=2290337563]@asbell_tony[/USER] I suggest you look at Maryland. Both Arz schools are upset with the P12. P12N is a bust & they get treated like red-headed step children. [USER=2290337563]OU Boom!!!‏ @asbell_tony[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/asbell_tony/status/1071906751174270976']4h4 hours ago[/URL] I suggest you interact w their fans and boosters. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071907908164730881']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Ask Maryland’s alums, fans & boosters how they felt leaving the ACC. [USER=2290337563]OU Boom!!!‏ @asbell_tony[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/asbell_tony/status/1071908143796412417']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Irrelevant [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071909479086768128']4h4 hours ago[/URL] How is it irrelevant? UM’s base didnt want to leave the ACC either. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1071906658882936832']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] You don’t know who will pay for expansion. 2023 will be a much different environment than right now with [IMG]https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f4fa.png[/IMG]. In fact, expansion could leverage BTN into a rival network for all college sports programming and FOX owns half. Takes half the financial risk instead of all like ESPN [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071906827363848197']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Except ESPN owns UT’s rights until 2035. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1071907544313008128']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] Look at Oklahoma’s noncon schedules if you want to see the B10 tie. Playing Nebraska 4 times, Michigan twice and OSU twice in the next 10 years [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1071906942656962560']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] OU improves ROI with OK City/Dallas area and annual games with Texas and Nebraska [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071907443058335744']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] No. Thats not true. There’s not enough cable subscribers in OK to justify adding the Sooners without network approval. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1071910097750769664']4h4 hours ago[/URL] OU like Nebraska is a national brand that always brings in good ratings. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071907761183748096']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] And OU isnt in Texas. Regional coverage maps means the conf with a team in the market gets on TV there unless its a national broadcast. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1071910314889932800']4h4 hours ago[/URL] BTN is always a national broadcast, FYI [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071911297715978241']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] Thats not how it works. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071911986206773248']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1014233833]@NebGradDubDub[/USER] The math says the market share has to justify the outlay of money. The math says expansion is no longer economically feasable. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1071927478141227008']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Oklahoma is economically feasible.............that's the absolute truth. In a divisionless league it's even more true. Especially if you can buy two teams for less money than paying out the rear end for the other 6 that have no value and 2 whose only value is expansion content [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071952156167680002']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Think about it. If the networks are against expansion & Oklahoma lacks enough cable subscribers to justify it what is the ROI? [USER=1043856914759786497]Coliseum PRT Station‏ @PrtStation[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/PrtStation/status/1071912030142124032']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] Nobody wants to upset the apple cart but.. There is always one guy that says to himself “I’ll just take this one apple, it’s only one, it won’t matter” Next thing you know it’s a great big ol’ apple riot and flying everywhere. I just hope the cart doesn’t land on our nuts [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071912437425860608']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1043856914759786497]@PrtStation[/USER] Except contracts are already so expensive they are shared. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071913133801959424']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=1043856914759786497]@PrtStation[/USER] The networks want the B12 to exist because if it fails it means they will end up paying NFL like rights fees in the future. They will pay more for less inventory forcing them to pay more for less desirable inventory. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071913285841272832']4h4 hours ago[/URL] The networks want the B12 to exist because if it fails it means they will end up paying NFL like rights fees in the future. They will pay more for less inventory forcing them to pay more for less desirable inventory. [USER=17348589]The Real Bob Mayhew‏ @HabibHaddad[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/HabibHaddad/status/1071915151849328641']4h4 hours ago[/URL] Arizona and Arizona State to the Big 12 makes sense. Then the PAC 12 can go back to the PAC 10 and the Big 12 can actually have 12 members. Brilliant! [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1071929300176261120']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=17348589]@HabibHaddad[/USER] [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] Having spent plenty of time in Arizona I can assure that the cultural fit is with the P12. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071950951693594625']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Cultural fit? BC, Pitt & Cuse in the ACC? Nebraska & Maryland in the B1G. I would say that WVU is a better fit in the Big 12 than any of those. [USER=1014233833]Doug‏ @NebGradDubDub[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/NebGradDubDub/status/1071960684638990337']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Nebraska is a cultural fit to the B10. It was not to the southern B12. Nebraska, iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois is corn and soybean country. What's left of the B12 is not. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071954186105950209']2h2 hours ago[/URL] ACC needs WVU more than WVU needs the ACC. [USER=55330244]T‏ @Rifleman4WVU[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/Rifleman4WVU/status/1071954368876998657']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Yea, not buying that one. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071956082258534400']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=55330244]@Rifleman4WVU[/USER] [USER=95194170]@MartinisNCognac[/USER] [USER=17348589]@HabibHaddad[/USER] The game changed with ESPN giving in to the ACCN. The ACC has a problem. Three schools account for 95% of football ratings. 8 (or 9 private schools) with demographics trending to alumni who dont care about football unlikely to care about ACCN. [USER=211159093]Dtzak‏ @dtzak[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/dtzak/status/1071959708909662208']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] Fox wants Texas/OU in B1G, to swing their clout in ESPNs face. ESPN is failing badly right now. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071960040700084224']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Really? You know this how? Have you bothered to check TV ratings? [USER=211159093]Dtzak‏ @dtzak[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/dtzak/status/1071961500317876225']1h1 hour ago[/URL] When you spend too much on NBA, NFL, MLB, SEC,...then low ball other CFB conferences....karma [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071963567216320512']58m58 minutes ago[/URL] My friend ESPN is better positioned to withstand changing viewing habits than Fox. ABC/ESPN has more reach commanding more money than Fox & its fledgling FS1 & FS2. It has the exclusive rights to SECN & the SEC giving it ownership of the vast majority of markets that watch. [USER=211159093]Dtzak‏ @dtzak[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/dtzak/status/1071964316335833088']56m56 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=386000905]@theDudeofWV[/USER] Really? Is that why they are back to showing cornhole tournaments and more poker events? Is that why they are shedding on air talent? Disney would love to unload ESPN. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071961416377212928']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=211159093]@dtzak[/USER] There is no way UT can go to the B1G as ESPN owns an option on all of UT’s rights until 2035. [USER=211159093]Dtzak‏ @dtzak[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/dtzak/status/1071961877805260801']1h1 hour ago[/URL] It's happening. The Longhorn network is failing, ESPN would be foolish to not listen to exit plans. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071962604397060096']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Your data is as flawed as your understanding. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071958840315383809']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=211159093]@dtzak[/USER] Plus if the B12 fails the networks will eventually be forced to pay more $ for less content and at the same time be forced to pay more for content that less valuable to fill the gap. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071959447839367168']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=211159093]@dtzak[/USER] Networks are publicly traded corporations legally required to return as much profit as possible to investors. They are not charities handing out free money. And ESPN in turn is owned by Disney which has the fiduciary responsibility to return profits to its investors. [USER=211159093]Dtzak‏ @dtzak[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/dtzak/status/1071960509707141120']1h1 hour ago[/URL] ESPN is hemoraging money. Fox wants the knockout. [USER=386000905]Christopher Lambert‏ @theDudeofWV[/USER] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/1071962474268762112']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [USER=211159093]@dtzak[/USER] Really? ESPN made a profit. Whereas Fox is selling off its regional networks. ESPN had a $2.4 billion profit. The entire Fox entertainment enterprise $894M profit. [/QUOTE]

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