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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 2660176, member: 5174"] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978765046145789955']2h2 hours ago[/URL] 20 pages from the script being complete but Ive lost the story flow. Drawn back into expansion. Got to find the tiger’s tail... [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978774392112144384']2h2 hours ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] Give up dude. you know you can’t fight the siren song of expansion. With new leadership coming on board at Texas and OU the tremors of 2022 will start soon… [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978776321877782529']1h1 hour ago[/URL] I have to this time. The last thing I want is drawn into the mess yet again. The B12 is in a much better spot than fans want to believe - especially OU fans. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978777388925505537']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] The difference this time is we know - for a certainty - that ESPN & Fox will not condone expansion with G5 schools. We also know of the unrest in the P12 & the money problems a few P12 schools are having. [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba'][B]Zain Mujtaba[/B]‏ @zainmujtaba[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba/status/978778204344217600']1h1 hour ago[/URL] If the choice comes down to death or expanding with worthless, brandless, G5 freeloaders, Big 12 death is the better option. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978779607632678912']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Nobody in the P12 is a freeloader. Really. [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba'][B]Zain Mujtaba[/B]‏ @zainmujtaba[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba/status/978783824032100352']56m56 minutes ago[/URL] P5 members are being paid a ton, so someone thinks they are worth P5 payouts. G5 members are paid a pittance, hence by definition any G5 added to a P5 has to be a freeloader! [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978784076353110017']55m55 minutes ago[/URL] Big 12 can only expand by poaching the P12. [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635'][B]Julius Johnson[/B]‏ @JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635/status/978797032054894592']4m4 minutes ago[/URL] What you are saying Dude, 1) Big 12 needs to expand before next TV deal or it fails because lack of footprint. 2) Big 12 can only poach PAC.G5 will not be allowed by media partners. If 1 & 2 are true, if PAC knows 1 & 2 true, why wouldn’t PAC stick together? [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978797939354107904']57s57 seconds ago[/URL] Money, exposure. If B12 fails P12 will not benefit. [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635'][B]Julius Johnson[/B]‏ @JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635/status/978797578534957058']5m5 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV']@theDudeofWV[/URL] and If PAC analysis of the situation matches your analysis Dude then PAC would just wait out Big 12. PAC TV deal comes first. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978798737744162816']1m1 minute ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] Think of the factors that inhibit the P12. How are they solved? Identify which schools would benefit from more money & exposure. Identify which schools are in dire straights financially. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978799262195691520']2m2 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] Pinpoint the P12’s issues. Big 12 failure would not benefit Pac 12. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978802532553289728']26m26 minutes ago[/URL] Adding T3 money the majority of the B12 will see from $10-$12M more each year than P12 schools. [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978806198999842816']11m11 minutes ago[/URL] I would agree the pac is weaker than the big 12. Terrible TV ratings, little interest in college sports on the West Coast, and duplicate markets. But due to geography it’s harder To see how it gets dismembered. [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978806839369486336']9m9 minutes ago[/URL] So what Will happen in five years? The only way one can make a prediction is to look at what’s actually possible. [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978807803161825283']5m5 minutes ago[/URL] Possibility one: nothing. No movement always has to be considered a strong possibility in expansion. Can you imagine the social media circus that power five movement would actually be? Can u imagine the political pressure on OU if OSU is going to be left in a zombie big 12? 1/2 [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978808345791430656']5m5 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] Big 12 needs expansion to keep pace. [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978808331937689601']9m9 minutes ago[/URL] Can you imagine Texas giving up the Longhorn network to be an equal partner in another conference? How do they extract themselves from the other Texas schools? Movement is difficult. More difficult today that even was six years ago. [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978809644599701505']4m4 minutes ago[/URL] Possibility to: pac 16 arrangement. Ou and OSU along with Texas and tech go West. This is less appealing now than it was in 2011. Their network is a failure and their TV ratings and attendance lag behind B12. 1/2 [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978809972678123522']2m2 minutes ago[/URL] It would be like hitching your future to a dying horse. The money would just not be there to make this make sense for anybody. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978810369299894272']2m2 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] Nobody is going to the Pac 12. [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978810816936988676']42m42 minutes ago[/URL] Possibility 3: Texas/OU go to the Big Ten. For this to be a reality they would have to overcome the barriers mentioned under possibility one of breaking free from the other in-state schools. Not an expert on state politics but would have to be difficult.1/2 [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978811540429246465']39m39 minutes ago[/URL] The state of Oklahoma in particular is small and the OSU backers would have enough juice to try to stop ou from leaving. If OSU doesn’t have a landing place in a true P5 conference not sure OU can get out if past expansion is any guide.2/3 [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978811955417841665']39m39 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] The legit threat against the Big 12 is ESPN/Fox decide not to pay a premium. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978814065127645190']31m31 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] Texas is very happy. OU is only unhappy because Texas is happy. OU’s markets are just as problematic to the B1G as lack of AAU. SEC wants OU but OU knows what that would mean. [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978813741889400832']32m32 minutes ago[/URL] Perhaps the big 10 would try to lessen the blow to other schools by guaranteeing the big 12 a spot in the power five for the next 20 years. It would become like the old Big East. A power conference in name only [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978814699956588545']28m28 minutes ago[/URL] Possibility 4: Big 12 take from the pac 12. P 12 is in such poor financial shape the schools feel move must b made to solidify the future. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978815522442829824']27m27 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] Some type of merger is equally pluaseable. [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe'][B]Mark Kochenderfer[/B]‏ @MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe/status/978815285640810496']27m27 minutes ago[/URL] This probably has more legs then it gets credit for. If the ACC and B 12 are pulling behind in the B12 is dying. But the question for me is what schools. A Colorado or Arizona or Arizona State type schools don’t move the needle enough. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978815670816329729']27m27 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] They do. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978815944557547523']26m26 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] Texas & OU make everybody more valuable. They would require a longterm GoR. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978817232557019136']21m21 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] Say WVU goes to the ACC. Baylor is dropped. 4 divs of 5 or 2 of 10. Doable. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978818008155082752']19m19 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] By the way a merger is the only logical outcome for both the P12 & the B12 if they want to survive. Can ESPN force WVU on the ACC & will egos allow it. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978818206012989441']18m18 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] ESPN would have to arrange WVU to the ACC. The move might force ND to ACC too. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978819957738889217']12m12 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] Texas prefers the Big 12. So does OU. The money has to be there. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978820692312510469']9m9 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] My opinion is this... in the end ESPN & Fox will continue to pay the Big 12 enough to keep them 3rd in earnings because UT & OU moving would set off consolidation & a phenomenal increase (to the level of the NFL) in rights fees. [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV'][B]Christopher Lambert[/B]‏ @theDudeofWV[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV/status/978820892523487232']9m9 minutes ago[/URL] Replying to [URL='https://twitter.com/MarkKochenderfe']@MarkKochenderfe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/JuliusJ85224635']@JuliusJ85224635[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/zainmujtaba']@zainmujtaba[/URL] Because any movement destabilizes the status quo. ME: We all feel your pain, Dude. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]

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