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Message: [QUOTE="MountainMan, post: 1806933, member: 7323"] I'd say worse. BYU was the one that made expanding worthwhile as they had the most value as well as helped give the Big 12 more fans in areas where the conference expanded such as Ohio, NYC, Boston, etc... Cinci by itself is a pretty small piece of Ohio but with all the BYU fans included it made it look much better. Im sure that without BYU included the TV numbers for expansion look much worse overall. I think that BYU might have thought the Big 12 would cave in to them like they thought the last time around and found out the hard way that they were wrong. I think this latest threat from boren was warning them that there is no guarantee BYU is getting an invite which means no guarantee on expansion happening. [/QUOTE]