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Message: [QUOTE="jostar1, post: 1709231, member: 1737"] [B]Chuck Carlton Verified account  ‏@ChuckCarltonDMN [/B] @mikefinger That's the dilemma. Do you go east for UConn-Cincy? West for BYU-CSU? South for UCF-USF? Or wait for something better. [B]Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 [/B]· 31m31 minutes ago If "something better" means ACC teams, then that's not happening. Big 12 needs to stop being paralyzed by delusions [B]Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV[/B] @frankthetank111 Frank, take your B1G blinders off. If ESPN & ACC are at an impasse there is a very real possibility 2 ACC schools jump. [B]Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 [/B] · 27m27 minutes ago Nothing to do with the B1G. Why is the grant of rights ironclad for the Big 12, but suddenly not for the ACC? [B]Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV[/B] @frankthetank111 Explain why Swofford meet with each FSU BoT member privately to avoid sunshine laws. [B]Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV [/B] @frankthetank111 FSU may have an out. They signed the GoR specifically for a network. They were assured of a network. [B]Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV[/B] · 23m23 minutes ago @frankthetank111 FSU may have a valid legal challenge based on what assurances Swofford used to coerce their board to approve it. [B]Andrew Wamugi‏@AndrewWamugi [/B] @frankthetank111 @theDudeofWV the assumption is the ACC GOR is conditional based on launch of ACC network. Without network, GOR may be void [B]Frank the Tank‏@frankthetank111 [/B] I've heard that assumption. It makes no sense since the whole point of a GOR is that it's an unconditional grant. [B]Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV[/B] · 20m20 minutes ago @frankthetank111 If FSU was given assurances to obtain their sig on the GoR & those assurances are not meet they have recourse. True? [B]Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire [/B] · 8m8 minutes ago @theDudeofWV @frankthetank111 No Dude, ACC GOR is real...and FSU has been given consideration....for the 1,000th time you know this. [B]Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV[/B] · 14m14 minutes ago @frankthetank111 Frank. If Swofford made verbal assurances to FSU they have recourse to challenge the GoR. [B]Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV[/B] · 14m14 minutes ago @frankthetank111 There is also the question if a state school can grant rights without receiving fair market value for those rights. [B]Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV[/B] · 13m13 minutes ago @frankthetank111 So it may be illegal for FSU to grant rights without some tangible consideration. [B]Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111 [/B]· 13m13 minutes ago The consideration is the entering into the underlying TV contracts. That is how Big 12 GOR agreement is structured. [B]Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV [/B] @frankthetank111 For the Big 12 yes. That's correct. But the ACC GoR was after their TV deal. Several years. [B]Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV [/B] @frankthetank111 By the way ESPN/Fox paid each B12 school a bonus of $6m for signing the GoR & a premium on the TV contract. ACC nothing. [B]Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV[/B] · 12m12 minutes ago @frankthetank111 The ACC GoR was not a condition of their TV deal. It's only purpose was to secure a conf network. [B]Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV[/B] @frankthetank111 ESPN isn't the one saying no to a Big 12 network. It's Texas. Part of UT's reasoning is they don't want G5 schools. [B]Christopher Lambert ‏@theDudeofWV[/B] · 16m16 minutes ago @hawkeyeND @frankthetank111 ESPN isn't saying no. That's an incorrect assumption made by people who are afraid of math. [B]Frank the Tank ‏@frankthetank111[/B] · 28m28 minutes ago If Big 12 ultimately decides not to expand, I get it. However, it shouldn't fool itself in thinking FSU ever wants anything to do with them. [B]Christopher Lambert‏@theDudeofWV[/B] @frankthetank111 I'll make a wager with you. If ESPN passes on the ACCN then FSU is in the Big 12 by 2020. [/QUOTE]

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