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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 1708889, member: 5174"] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle'][B]Carson Ingle[/B]‏@caingle[/URL] Other conferences have 3rd tier rights # added to their revenue take because conferences control those rights. [URL='https://twitter.com/hashtag/Big12?src=hash']#Big12[/URL] does it individually. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737695279806320644']4h4 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle']@caingle[/URL] But most B12 schools 3rd tier money associated with the program is not just for TV 3rd tier rights..it includes everything. [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle'][B]Carson Ingle[/B] ‏@caingle [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle/status/737695721894318080']4h4 hours ago[/URL][URL='https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A55b4f9e5c516e0b6']Orlando, FL[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] right but the other non TV 3rd tier stuff is negligible. Like how much do Big 10 schools really make off radio for instance? [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737696352768000000']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle']@caingle[/URL] Typical B10 school...8 mil BTN + 1 mil Profit sharing.(TV $ Only) Typical B12 3rd tier TV only 2 mil. Other $ is Lic/Radio..ect [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737695634912874497']4h4 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle']@caingle[/URL] The $ includes licensing/signage...Coaches shows...radio. Example: WVU 6.8 mil a year included ALL 3rd tier rights...ALL [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle'][B]Carson Ingle[/B] ‏@caingle [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle/status/737696059447775233']4h4 hours ago[/URL][URL='https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A55b4f9e5c516e0b6']Orlando, FL[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] I'm not denying that the Big 12 is low man on the totem pole & that change is needed, but gap isn't as large now as some say. [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle'][B]Carson Ingle[/B] ‏@caingle [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle/status/737696262506565632']4h4 hours ago[/URL][URL='https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A55b4f9e5c516e0b6']Orlando, FL[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] it's more about what the gap will become with rising TV deals for B10/SEC & the conference networks revenue also growing. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737696758738870272']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle']@caingle[/URL] We agree. But we also can't just add "listed 3rd tier deals" of Big 12 schools on to Conf payout ledger and compare to SEC/B1G [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737697068807016448']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle']@caingle[/URL] ....reason being we aren't listing $$ from non TV only 3rd tier rights onto SEC/B1G payouts.. [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle'][B]Carson Ingle[/B] ‏@caingle [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle/status/737697926638637056']3h3 hours ago[/URL][URL='https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A55b4f9e5c516e0b6']Orlando, FL[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] media making situation worse than it is with those [URL='https://twitter.com/hashtag/s?src=hash']#s[/URL] either intentionally or out of ignorance [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle'][B]Carson Ingle[/B] ‏@caingle [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle/status/737697600388911104']3h3 hours ago[/URL][URL='https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A55b4f9e5c516e0b6']Orlando, FL[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] that's fine, but there needs to be amore equivalent way of doing it then. Probably extracting the Big 12 3rd tier TV # from rest [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737698121766064130']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle']@caingle[/URL] Yep. At this point...with exceptions to UT/OU/KU, you can add about 2 mil to each B12 school to reported 23-25 mil per school. [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle'][B]Carson Ingle[/B] ‏@caingle [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle/status/737698315274493958']3h3 hours ago[/URL][URL='https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A55b4f9e5c516e0b6']Orlando, FL[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] WVUs take more than that too maybe like 3-4 [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737698549505396737']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle']@caingle[/URL] Now you have an Apple to Apple comparison...or as close as we can get. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737698867202920448']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle']@caingle[/URL] But as you pointed out...those B12 Apple Orchads are at peak right now...while SEC/B1G are growing. B12 needs to expand orchard [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle'][B]Carson Ingle[/B] ‏@caingle [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle/status/737698881945915392']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] ya that's fair. Wish others would preface the #'s that way. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737699396863807489']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle']@caingle[/URL] I just don't think many people understand. But we are on the same page...difficult issue to discuss on Twitter. [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle'][B]Carson Ingle[/B] ‏@caingle [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/caingle/status/737699733922254848']3h3 hours ago[/URL][URL='https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A55b4f9e5c516e0b6']Orlando, FL[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] ya too much nuance involved in all this stuff [URL='https://twitter.com/80sTiger'][B]80s Tiger[/B] ‏@80sTiger [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/80sTiger/status/737696811712843776']4h4 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] UC & Memphis very soon. Next two dicey. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737697428690874368']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/80sTiger']@80sTiger[/URL] It won't be Memphis. But I admire your fanbase and passion. Good luck sir. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737730969558388736']1h1 hour ago[/URL] University of Texas & ESPN shaking the Big 12 Death Rattle. Texas Tech,TCU,Baylor,West Virginia,Kansas St,Oklahoma St, Iowa St take cover. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737732287974887424']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://post original url/y8aUoeQMLU']http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story/1674016-sources-big-12-expansion-not-happening?s=341…[/URL] Once again Chip Brown goes delusional when at end of article that maybe all P5 go together on next TV contract. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737732741228154880']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Greg Flugaur Retweeted Greg Flugaur [URL='https://post original url/Wpz7NpTHid']https://mobile.twitter.com/flugempire/status/737732287974887424…[/URL] I think people should pump the brakes on this Chip Brown info.... Keep powder dry. [URL='https://twitter.com/TravHaneyESPN'][B]Travis HaneyVerified account[/B]‏@TravHaneyESPN[/URL] Central word/issue re: Big 12 expansion is consensus. Unrest at Baylor further complicates, but can league eventually get on same page? [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737734023099736064']1h1 hour ago[/URL] Greg Flugaur Retweeted Travis Haney [URL='https://post original url/gAILK2CMPs']https://mobile.twitter.com/TravHaneyESPN/status/737733396575735808…[/URL] B12 better get on same page...or it's the Death Rattle. Status Quo not an option. UT check-raising on the river. [URL='https://twitter.com/Rob_9515'][B]Rob[/B] ‏@Rob_9515 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/Rob_9515/status/737730583728685056']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] Thoughts on the Scout article that says Big 12 has decided not to expand? [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/737733315738763265']1h1 hour ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/Rob_9515']@Rob_9515[/URL] Not sold on this info from Chip Brown. Good data will be shown. UT will continue to play "the heavy" during this process. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/737671663806976001']5h5 hours ago[/URL] Both sides are warming up to the idea with UT spearheading discussions. [URL='https://twitter.com/columbiasooner'][B]Jay Pritchard[/B] ‏@columbiasooner [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/columbiasooner/status/737683191452950528']4h4 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] So would UT be double dipping in revenue with new network? [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/737711080080846848']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/columbiasooner']@columbiasooner[/URL] no they would not. B12 would split their 1/3 over 11 schools. ACC splits theirs over 15 and ESPN keeps their third. [URL='https://twitter.com/deezylowe'][B]Malcolm Flex[/B] ‏@deezylowe [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/deezylowe/status/737687848699072512']4h4 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] Unless the money is astronomical, the B12 should say no and hold the ARC's feet to the fire [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/737711726007836673']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/deezylowe']@deezylowe[/URL] ESPN projects the network would bring in 180 mil in profit the first year. so 60 to them, 60 to ACC, and 60 to B12 [URL='https://twitter.com/jay_256'][B]TigerBronco[/B] ‏@jay_256 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/jay_256/status/737686405451632640']4h4 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] That is the most idiotic proposed rumor yet. No way any "Power" 5 conference is gonna agree to share a network. [URL='https://twitter.com/deezylowe'][B]Malcolm Flex[/B] ‏@deezylowe [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/deezylowe/status/737688243450171392']4h4 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/jay_256']@jay_256[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] Actually not that dumb. Solidify both conferences and leaves PAC as the last place revenue conference for years to come [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/737711865661411328']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/deezylowe']@deezylowe[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/jay_256']@jay_256[/URL] already have the subscriber base-just raise rates for the premium content. [URL='https://twitter.com/deezylowe'][B]Malcolm Flex[/B] ‏@deezylowe [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/deezylowe/status/737689615407058944']4h4 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] Could this lead to a scheduling agreement between B12 /ACC? [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/737711956631662592']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/deezylowe']@deezylowe[/URL] yes indeed it could. [URL='https://twitter.com/Mountaineer_Ste'][B]Mountaineer Steve[/B] ‏@Mountaineer_Ste [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/Mountaineer_Ste/status/737709304212525057']3h3 hours ago[/URL][URL='https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A189ef793a6dbbfc8']Irmo, SC[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] Only adding 2 teams means BIG12 has only 11 programs with content (-TexA$$) vs 14 ACC teams. Why would ACC agree to even split? [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/737712298253537280']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/Mountaineer_Ste']@Mountaineer_Ste[/URL] because when LHN is up UT will fold in. Also if B12 can net P12 schools after their deal expires it will be even keel [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/737712471859941376']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/Mountaineer_Ste']@Mountaineer_Ste[/URL] also it's the ACC only option to not pay start up costs up front. [URL='https://twitter.com/TheFrogCastTCU'][B]TheFrogCast[/B] ‏@TheFrogCastTCU [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/TheFrogCastTCU/status/737713031073923072']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] so I know it's programming question but split network with say both baseball tournaments going doesn't sound functional [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/737713184463847426']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/TheFrogCastTCU']@TheFrogCastTCU[/URL] regional programming. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/737713413451833344']3h3 hours ago[/URL] @TheFrogCastTCU that's the beauty of the 2 conferences not overlapping much.Adding Uconn might cause slight overlap but would only bolster NY [/QUOTE]

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