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Message: [QUOTE="CoastAtlantic, post: 1659878, member: 5174"] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718508682938576896']15m15 minutes ago[/URL] TV-related revenue for 2017-18,on a per-school basis: SEC: $35.6 million Big Ten: $33 million (8 mil BTN/25 mil Tier1) Pac12: $22.95 million [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718509012447268864']14m14 minutes ago[/URL] Greg Flugaur Retweeted Greg Flugaur [URL='https://post original url/w56JBDkgeb']https://mobile.twitter.com/flugempire/status/718508682938576896…[/URL] I'm seeing lots of crazy numbers being thrown (low & high) on what to expect from new Big10 TV media deal. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718509493873676289']13m13 minutes ago[/URL] TV related Revenue for Big10 after new Tier 1 deal starting in 2017 will have schools reach a level of 33 mil..45 mil after all Conf payouts [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718509877677703168']11m11 minutes ago[/URL] B1G schools only receive about 14 mil each right now on their old 2006 Contract...it's the BTN $ (pure TV only) that has kept B1G up in cash [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718510307648413696']10m10 minutes ago[/URL] Now the 33 mil (25 mil on new tier 1 contract) will rise..those numbers only are for 2017 ( projected) If B1G doubles 2006 contract?... [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718510748541009920']8m8 minutes ago[/URL] ...if B1G doubles old contract then numbers go to approx 36 mil in TV related revenue (only)...48-49 mil per school on full Conf payout [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718511013088399360']8m8 minutes ago[/URL] Of course new B1G TV contract is going to be much more than 10-15% of current Contract. And it's not going to get tripled either.... [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718511301392211968']7m7 minutes ago[/URL] Many people on Twitter get all these numbers screwed up because they get their apples and oranges all screwed up...so be careful. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718511657266384898']6m6 minutes ago[/URL] What the B1G will succeed in doing (besides double or near double $) is more exposure..better platforms. Example: no more ESPNU. [URL='https://twitter.com/KevinHagemeier'][B]Kevin Hagemeier[/B] ‏@KevinHagemeier [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/KevinHagemeier/status/718509107297136640']19m19 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] 2017-2018 will be under the new TV deal. Is this right? I think legacy B1G members have payouts around $35 million in 16-17 [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718512160306016256']8m8 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/KevinHagemeier']@KevinHagemeier[/URL] Actually you may be correct..because B1G have been receiving more payout vs past projections Example: 1mil BTN profit share [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718512562732736512']6m6 minutes ago[/URL] My point is...well....most people actually have no clue what B1G schools are receiving from ESON/ABC deal right now (2006) Clue: not much [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718513022290026496']2m2 minutes ago[/URL] I would highly suggest people be prepared that the Big Ten gets doubled on 2006 deal..or shade under. Not triple...not 10-15%..how stupid [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718513328381956104']18s19 seconds ago[/URL] If the Big Ten only received a 10-15% increase from last contract they would receive less than B12 schools in tier 1 money in 2017. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718513681047425024']now2 minutes ago[/URL] It's very difficult to explain all this on Twitter... But let's keep in simple. B1G TV only $ starting in 2017 - 33-36 mil per school. [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718513917941649408']now1 minute ago[/URL] And that number will only rise through the length of the contract which is the gap Boren and others are concerned about... [URL='https://twitter.com/brocktoon73'][B]Mr. Belvedere[/B] ‏@brocktoon73 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/brocktoon73/status/718513211985813504']14m14 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire']@flugempire[/URL] what about this talk of adding six acc teams? Legit or nonsense? [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire'][B]Greg Flugaur[/B] ‏@flugempire [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/718515315714428928']3m3 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/brocktoon73']@brocktoon73[/URL] ACC GOR is real....however GOR's have teeth vs 1 or 2 schools trying to bolt. But implosion is another deal. We've heard nada [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718463674080501760']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Ok so I'm good to actually mention the Big10 by name again. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718463816594558976']3h3 hours ago[/URL] And I can finally share some things I've been quietly sitting on. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718464141174906886']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Pac12 network has been a disaster. No secret there. But would distribution improve if the BTN and Fox jointly purchased 50% of it? [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718464480057942017']3h3 hours ago[/URL] I'm not saying it's happening but I'm also not saying it isn't being discussed. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718464898368475137']3h3 hours ago[/URL] I do know there is much unrest in P12 regarding their failed network and if something doesn't happen soon look for some to leave after GOR [URL='https://twitter.com/maiereric'][B]eric maier[/B] ‏@maiereric [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/maiereric/status/718514392476884993']8m8 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] where are they going? Come on man [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718516121666777088']2m2 minutes ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/maiereric']@maiereric[/URL] couldn't tell you. I just know there are rumblings. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718465119810887680']3h3 hours ago[/URL] And I have heard that B10 wants to keep Pac12 strong due to Rose Bowl and history [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718465556085653504']3h3 hours ago[/URL] As it stands now only ucla,usc,cal, and Oregon truly pull their weight in ratings. And cal is slipping. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718465708141752320']3h3 hours ago[/URL] What if the Big10 were to expand to 20 and then not stop? [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718465870922661888']3h3 hours ago[/URL] What if their end game was a coast to coast entity that included 2 conferences ? [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718466159000031232']3h3 hours ago[/URL] An eastern B10 and a central/pacific PAC12(trimmed of some fat)? [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718466567365857284']3h3 hours ago[/URL] In that scenario what do schools like Utah, Washington state, Arizona St, Oregon state, and maybe even Cal bring to the table(cont) [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718466769187401728']3h3 hours ago[/URL] (Cont) when that table relies on a model that only needs the flagship state schools to produce revenue and maximize profits? [URL='https://twitter.com/mdmost'][B]mdmost[/B] ‏@mdmost [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/mdmost/status/718465964170293248']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@mh ver3[/URL] Ha ha. This should scare you WVU people the most because the Big 10 might want Texas, OU, and others in the Pac 12. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718466923453902848']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/mdmost']@mdmost[/URL] WVU would be fine if the B12 fails. I have that on the best authority [URL='https://twitter.com/Rossjc4'][B]Marion[/B] ‏@Rossjc4 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/Rossjc4/status/718466801835741184']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] you forgot colorado [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718467242338422785']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/Rossjc4']@Rossjc4[/URL] they are an iffy one. Population is relatively small but they do help bridge the gap geographically [URL='https://twitter.com/Rossjc4'][B]Marion[/B] ‏@Rossjc4 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/Rossjc4/status/718467009994817536']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] are you saying Utah isn't the flagship school of Utah... Ouch [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718467689447059457']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/Rossjc4']@Rossjc4[/URL] they aren't but the issue with them is population. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718468126099312640']3h3 hours ago[/URL] The BTN revenue model does have a ceiling for profitability and having too many mouths to feed would become a drain. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718468259457208322']3h3 hours ago[/URL] They would take Duke to get UNC because the bball ratings would be a windfall [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718468519147532288']3h3 hours ago[/URL] In a Pac12 merger scenario they would take 2 schools in Cali because of the state size and ucla and usc have huge followings. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718468603847294976']3h3 hours ago[/URL] It just doesn't remain as profitable if you add Stanford and Cal. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718468769476120576']3h3 hours ago[/URL] Again I'm not saying that this going to happen. Just that it's been discussed. [URL='https://twitter.com/MartinisNCognac'][B]Dan[/B] ‏@MartinisNCognac [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MartinisNCognac/status/718468096986628096']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] The Pac12 Networks problem has never been distribution, it's the Time zone they play in. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718468832600399872']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MartinisNCognac']@MartinisNCognac[/URL] no it's a lot of both. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718469109210591232']3h3 hours ago[/URL] But back to earth and less hypothetical discussions, the B10 is spitefully trying to gut the ACC. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718469326857203712']3h3 hours ago[/URL] The ACC reached out to a few B10 schools about leaving B10 and joining them just this past fall. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718469403751399426']3h3 hours ago[/URL] This is how swofford works. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718469536169795586']3h3 hours ago[/URL] And it's why B10 totally blocked ACC plans for restructuring who could play in a CCG. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718470062185848832']3h3 hours ago[/URL] ACC went hunting with a bb-gun, got embarrassed, and pisses off Delaney. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718470352951775233']3h3 hours ago[/URL] I thought the rumors of them going after B10 schools was a joke but have had it corroborated by many different sources since. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718470530815434752']3h3 hours ago[/URL] This summer should be very interesting. It could be a bloodbath. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718470654396383232']3h3 hours ago[/URL] But swofford is crafty and has dodged these bullets before. Perhaps he can again. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718470853785202688']3h3 hours ago[/URL] He has a silver tongue that makes board members at large institutions appear to have the naive intellect of a 5 year old. [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718471120903659520']3h3 hours ago[/URL] But I still believe the B12 makes the first move this summer. Most likely by inviting Uconn and Cincy adding a network and a CCG. [URL='https://twitter.com/scobro1'][B]ScoBro[/B] ‏@scobro1 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/scobro1/status/718471785696464897']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3']@MH ver3[/URL] why would B12 add Cincy and UConn when ACC schools may be in play in a year if GOR challenged? [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3'][B]MH ver3[/B] ‏@MH ver3 [/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/MHver3/status/718475564814901248']3h3 hours ago[/URL] [URL='https://twitter.com/scobro1']@scobro1[/URL] to get a profit all network to make them attractive to those ACC schools. [/QUOTE]

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